Is KEEPALIVE worth keeping? from Greg Stein on 2002-02-09 (w3c-dist-auth@w3.org from January to March 2002) (original) (raw)

mod_dav totally ignores the body of a MOVE or COPY request. So I'm all in favor of removing the whole darned thing :-). Short of that, tossing the keepalive stuff is at least a forward-step.

Cheers, -g

On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 03:32:37PM -0500, Jason Crawford wrote:

As per the note below.... again... if anyone has an interest in keeping KEEPALIVE alive, please speak up. I'll mark it for deletion next weekend if noone speaks up.

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                  "Lisa Dusseault"                                                                                
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                  PM                       Subject:  RE: Issue: IS_HREF_A_CHILD_OF_KEEPALIVE

There is a much deeper issue with keepalive, and that is that no client at the interop claimed to use the feature. Therefore interoperability has not been, and cannot easily be, demonstrated.

Are there now clients out there that can demonstrate that keepalive works? Or is it one of those ideas that just isn't useful enough to clients for them to implement?

If its not useful enough for clients to implement, then it should be removed from WebDAV so the protocol can go to the next phase of standardization.

Lisa

-----Original Message----- From: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of Stefan Eissing Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 7:50 AM To: Jason Crawford; Julian Reschke Cc: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: RE: Issue: IS_HREF_A_CHILD_OF_KEEPALIVE

From: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of Jason Crawford [...] Julian alluded to the possibility of keepalive going away. FWIW... I don't see anything like that listed on the issues list.

The issue is not explicitly on the list, however it is related to COPY_LIVE_PROPS. The issues I have with keepAlive are a) how does the client know which property is live in the first place? b) deltaV copy semantics forbid using keepAlive on version properties c) If the destination is on another server, WebDAV has no means to fulfill keepAlive. It is not possible to know if the remote server knows the requested live props. d) Is there any server/client using it? (I have not seen any)

I would propose to

  1. remove keepalive, maybe allow omit
  2. change default copy behaviour to not copy live properties

//Stefan

J.

------------------------------ Julian wrote... -------------------- Hi.

Currently, RFC2518 says in 12.12.1 [1]:

So individual properties are identified by "href" (which doesn't make sense in the general case).

So (assuming that propertybehaviour/keepalive isn't dropped anyway), this will need to be changed to:

where DAV:prop contains property elements.

Julian

[1] <http://www.greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/rfc2518.html#ELEMENT_keepalive>

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-- Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/

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