Minutes, 2002-02-08 teleconference from Graham Klyne on 2002-02-08 (w3c-rdfcore-wg@w3.org from February 2002) (original) (raw)

RDFCore WG minutes for the Telecon 2002-02-08

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Feb/0234.html

Transcript: (attached).

1: Allocate scribe: Graham Klyne

2: Roll call

Participants: - Aaron Swartz - Brian McBride (chair) - Daniel Brickley - Dave Beckett - Eric Miller - Frank Manola - Graham Klyne - Jeremey Carroll - Jos De Roo - Mike Dean - Pat Hayes - Patrick Stickler - Ron Daniels - Sergey Melnik - Stephen Petschulat

Regrets: - Jan Grant - Dan Connolly

Absent: - Bill dehOra - Martyn Horner - Frank Boumphrey - Guha - KWON Hyung-Jin - Michael Kopchenov - Ora Lassila - Pierre G Richard - Rael Dornfest - Satoshi Nakamura - Yoshiyuki Kitahara

3: Review Agenda

No AOB.

4: Next telecon - 10am Boston time, 15 Feb 2002

5: Please register for the face to face meeting.

See: http://cgi.w3.org/Register/selectUser.pl?_w3c_meetingName=techplenary2002 ftf registrants: Masinter, Manola, Carroll, Brickley, Horner, Miller, Klyne, Beckett, McBride, Dean, Stickler, De Roo, Connolly

Those not attending, please send regrets to the list.

6: Review Minutes of 2002-02-01 telecon with correction

See: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Feb/0010.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Feb/0023.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Feb/0044.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Feb/0228.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Feb/0232.html

Accepted.

7: Confirm Status of Completed Actions

ACTION: 2002-01-24#4 Jeremy

Confirmed complete.

8: Status of Syntax WD

OLD ACTION:2002-01-18#2 DaveB Prepare some test cases for unrecognized xml:attributes. See: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Jan/0243.html

The test cases were accepted.

9: Status of Test Cases WD

OLD ACTION: 2001-11-30#3 Jan Grant Get access to test case areas of W3C site OLD ACTION: 2002-01-11#1 bwm persue CVS access for Jan with EM CVS access is still problematic. CONTINUES (both actions).

OLD ACTION: 2002-01-11#2 JanG post summary of Test Cases WD outstanding updates to list. CONTINUES.

10: Status of Primer

A summary of current status has been circulated. See: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Jan/0300.html

OLD ACTION: 2002-02-01#1 danbri make everything in primer directory public [status unclear]

A pointer to the latest version of the primer has been circulated. See: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Feb/0237.html Document at: http://www.w3.org/2001/09/rdfprimer/rdf-primer-20020127.html

ACTION, 2002-02-08#1, Brian: Update RDFcore home page to point to new primer version.

11: Model Theory WD

(Publication was approved at the teleconference of 2002-02-01)

OLD ACTION: 2002-02-01 danbri arrange publication of model WD Handed off to Eric Miller...

ACTION, 2002-02-08#2, Eric: Arrange publication of model WD

12: Model Theory for Containers

Discuss PatH's proposal, which is roughly: simply treat all containers as ordered, with the type being a hint to implementers that different orderings may or may not be significant. See: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Feb/0072.html

Much discussion (see IRC log from [15:19]). Some folks want an easy way to enumerate container properties present using a general purpose RDF query meachanism. A common container-membership property would allow this, but raises tension with working group charter. Upshot is:

ACTION, 2002-02-08#3, Brian: add issue for common superproperty for rdf:_1, ... etc. to the issue list.

ACTION: 2002-02-08#4, PatH: write up container proposal (including the common superproperty?) and put to the group for approval.

ACTION: 2002-02-08#5, Jeremy, post URI of description of property attributes and bagId indeterminacy problem to list. From IRC, URI is: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Oct/0013.html [which includes test cases; action complete?]

13: Reification

OLD ACTION: 2002-02-01#2 PatH test cases for reification None were submitted to Pat, so there's nothing to present. Meanwhile, the discussion has moved on. Action complete?

Much discussion about issue -- see IRC log from [15:37]. Still revolving around statings/statements debate. It was noted that provenance was the compelling use-case for pursuing this, and believed to be the original intent.

The group overwhelmingly, unanimously supports that we should, in principle, focus on addressing the provenance use-case. Subsequent discussion adds the proviso that this doesn't take us into whole new areas of design.

ACTION, 2002-02-08#6, FrankM: lead the reification discussion based with goal of addressing the provenance use-case (to the extent that this can be done without adding new features)

14: Datatypes

ACTION, 2002-02-09#7, Sergey/Patrick/PatH: to prepare a proposal based on PatH's recent proposal, which seems to satisfy most objections.

(Summary: the new proposal has tidy literals denoting only strings; all the other clever stuff is handled by rdf:value (and subproperties). rdf:value means roughly: has a string representation as .)

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Graham Klyne (GK@ACM.ORG)

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