Telecon 2002-01-18 minutes from Graham Klyne on 2002-01-18 (w3c-rdfcore-wg@w3.org from January 2002) (original) (raw)
RDFCore WG minutes for the Telecon 2002-01-18
Transcript: (attached)
Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Jan/0125.html
1: Allocate scribe: Graham Klyne
2: Roll call
Participants: - Aaron Swartz - Bill dehOra - Brian McBride (chair) - Daniel Brickley - Dan Connolly - Dave Beckett - Graham Klyne - Jeremey Carroll - Jos De Roo - Martyn Horner - Pat Hayes - Patrick Stickler - Ron Daniels - Sergey Melnik
- Jan Grant ??Regrets: - Eric Miller - Frank Manola - Mike Dean
Absent: - Frank Boumphrey - Guha - KWON Hyung-Jin - Michael Kopchenov - Ora Lassila - Pierre G Richard - Rael Dornfest - Satoshi Nakamura - Stephen Petschulat - Yoshiyuki Kitahara
3: Review Agenda
Interest was expressed in a report from WebOnt face-to-face. (But as it happens, we did not have time.)
4: Next telecon - 10am Boston time, 25 Jan 2002
5: Please register for the face to face meeting.
See: http://cgi.w3.org/Register/selectUser.pl?_w3c_meetingName=techplenary2002
6: Review Minutes of 2002-01-11 with correction
See: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Jan/0095.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Jan/0097.html
APPROVED
7: Confirm Status of Completed Actions
(See agenda)
ALL CONFIRMED
8: Reification
We are awaiting an initial gathering of thoughts in a paper from Frank M. to kick off discussion.
Since he's not here today, we can't really progress that.
DanC expressed some views about the nature of reification in his software. Consider "Mary hits the ball". In the reification of this, is the subject (a) a string with first letter "M", or (b) [something that denotes?) a femail person? DanC thinks (a). Others not so sure. Some discussion.
ACTION 2002-01-18#1, DanC: provide an example that shows why reification works one way for him, but not the other.
9: Status of Test Cases WD old ACTION: 2001-11-30#3 Jan Grant Get access to test case areas of W3C site old ACTION: 2002-01-11#2 JanG post summary of Test Cases WD outstanding updates to list. old ACTION: 2002-01-11#1 bwm persue CVS access for Jan with EM
All actions continue.
10: Status of Primer
Item skipped -- FrankM not here.
Disappointment and concern for the schedule was noted.
11: Model Theory WD
Reviews are all in, and Pat is working through the comments.
Document: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2002Jan/att-0007/01-RDF_Model_Theory.htm
Comments: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Jan/0000.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Jan/0094.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Jan/0127.html
Current estimate is that the document will go to a new public WD following discussion of any substantive points at next week's telecon -- 1-2 weeks time.
12: Unrecognised xml: attributes
Propose: the WG resolves that unrecognized attributes in the xml namespace should be ignored.
In discussion, it was felt that test cases are needed for a sensible decision.
ACTION 2002-01-18#2, DaveB: Prepare some test cases for unrecognized xml: attributes
13: Issue: #rdfms-xml-base
See DaveB's excellent summary of the discussion to date: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Jan/0098.html
Discussion of original proposal, and a counter proposal. Discomfort was expressed by several people about simply ignoring xml:base - it should be honoured or disallowed.
Proposed: that when RDF is embedded in an XML document that uses xml:base, the enclosing xml:base will be honoured. APPROVED
After discussion, it was proposed that xml:base be allowed, and honoured, anywhere in an RDF document (this being easiest to implement). APPROVED (understanding that if major problems are found this may be reconsidered)
ACTION 2002-01-18#3, JJC: Analyze implications of allowing xml:base anywhere ACTION 2002-01-18#4, JJC: Provide test cases for xml:base to illustrate any issues
14: Issue: #rdfms-nested-bagIDs
DaveB has offered a proposal, with test cases: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Jan/0113.html
In discussion, there was concern that this did not agree with some people's understanding of reification. Resolution of this has been deferred until the nature of reification has been agreed.
15: Issue: #mime-types-for-rdf-docs
Dave has offered a proposed wording: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Jan/0114.html
Propose o the WG authorize DaveB to add text as outlined in his proposal o this issue be removed from the list affecting the syntax WD
When we're ready (when documents are stable?) we'll request a MIME content-type registration for application/rdf+xml, based on Aaron's draft http://blogspace.com/rdf/mimetype
16: Issue: #rdfms-not-id-and-resource-attr
Item skipped.
17: Datatypes
old ACTION 2002-01-11#6 miked to drop an example of both approaches (implicit / explicit) to datatyping to the mailing list. CONTINUES
Discussion of datatyping desiderata draft. Latest version is "take 3": http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Jan/0137.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Jan/att-0137/01-RDF-Datatyping-Desiderata.html
Patrick has offered a "preview" draft of the P/D proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Jan/0118.html http://www-nrc.nokia.com/sw/TDL.html We hope for a final version, with Jeremy providing the math, by the end of next week.
ACTION 2002-01-18#5, Sergey: Analyze both proposals against the desiderata ACTION 2002-01-18#6, ALL: Propose new idioms that should be recorded ACTION 2002-01-18#7, GK: Incorporate any new idioms/use-cases into the desiderate document ACTION 2002-01-18#8, GK: Review "idioms" section to clarify that these are claimed examples of existing use, provide specific references where possible.
Meeting closed
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