2002-03-15 from Jan Grant on 2002-03-18 (w3c-rdfcore-wg@w3.org from March 2002) (original) (raw)

RDFCore WG minutes for the telecon 2002-03-15

Transcript: http://ilrt.org/discovery/chatlogs/rdfcore/2002-03-15 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Mar/0210.html

Roll call -

Participants:

Participants:

(Mark Butler also present from HP labs as an observer of W3 telecon best practice :-)

Regrets: Dan Brickley, Dan Connolly, Sergei Melnik, Steve Petschulat

Absent: Frank Boumphrey, Bill dehOra, Rael Dornfest, Yoshiyuki Kitahara, Michael Kopchenov, Kwon Hyung-Jin, Ora Lassila, Satoshi Nakamura, Pierre Richard, Guha

Review agenda -

Eric tabled AOB (to discuss move of irc service, see below)

Next telecon -

Same time, 10am Boston time, 22 March 2002 (NOT 29th as in agenda)

Last week's minutes - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Mar/0125.html APPROVED

Confirm status of completed actions - ALL CONFIRMED.

Item 8: June F2F

The next F2F will be in June, 17/18th in Bristol (UK). Venue to be negotiated between ILRT and HP.

Item 9: Status of primer WD

After a brief diversion on the semantics of "publish"... APPROVED (no dissent): the WG approved the publishing of the current primer as a working draft.

ACTION 2002-03-15#1 (em) to drive this process.

ACTION 2002-03-15#2 (frankm) to sign up to rdf-comment mailing list (address to which feedback will be solicited)

Item 10: Open E-Book forum

Patrick Stickler gave some more information about Open E-Book; in particular, that they are going to be using RDF as the basis for their packaging format; they're currently looking at using RDF for their core metadata encoding.

Pat S' email about the packaging format: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Mar/0128.html And more information: http://www.xpackage.org/

Item 11: XML Base test cases

The initial proposal was to approve these, as per modifications here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Mar/0162.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Mar/0167.html

DaveB and Jos both indicated that test017 and error001 were still unclear. (But test017 wasn't crucial to this case)

APPROVED: the WG accepted tests 1-16.

ACTION 2002-03-15#3 (jang) update test cases to reflect approval (this action applies to the approval of items 12 and 13 too)

ACTION 2002-03-15#4 (bwm) arrange resolution of test017 and error001

Item 12: Issue rdfms-not-id-and-resource-attr

Review test cases at http://www.w3.org/2000/10/rdf-tests/rdfcore/rdfms-not-id-and-resource-attr/

DaveB and Jos both said these looked OK. APPROVED (no dissent): the WG accepts these test cases.

ACTION 2002-03-15#3 (jang) update test cases to reflect approval

Item 13: Issue rdfms-nested-bagID

Review test cases at: http://www.w3.org/2000/10/rdf-tests/rdfcore/rdfms-nested-bagIDs/

DaveB: (IIRC) these were OK; Jos: happy too. APPROVED (no dissent): the WG approves these test cases.

ACTION 2002-03-15#3 (jang) update test cases to reflect approval

Item 14: Updated n-triples notation for literals

See: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Mar/0092.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Mar/0182.html

Jos indicated that his N3/ntriples parser was having trouble with the changes. DaveB indicated that he'd rather move on and then come back to revise the syntax if necessary; was eager for progress. APPROVED: the WG approved Dave's suggestion.

ACTION 2002-03-15#5 (daveb) to go ahead with current format, to use with any new fancy literals in test cases

Item 15: Datatypes

Jeremy indicated that I18N people were somewhat divided on the language/locale issue; they're all looking for guidance, however. PatH indicated that if the only DTing mechanism was a constraint on lexical forms, there would be "howls of protest" (including his). There was some agreement with this. Brian asked if there were compelling use cases to establish the need for a better mechanism.

ACTION 2002-03-15#6 (pat h) to integrate Pat S' XML examples into his document

ACTION 2002-03-15#7 (pat h) remove references to octal, different language representations

Discussion of Jeremy's entailment to be taken to email.

Item 16: Contexts, quoting, unasserted triples

PatH: the "next" language (OWL) has problems layering on top of RDF. We could vastly alleviate these problems by allowing collections of triples to exist as part of a graph, but not asserted. That is, to stick them in some sort of "contextual bubble". Discussion followed on reasons to do this.

ACTION 2002-03-15#8 (pat h) write up this simple proposal in email

FrankM also insisted that we show strong willingness to work with people to resolve this; the emphasis on "work with" - ie, sit down and talk in detail about it.

ACTION 2002-03-15#8 (bwm) to figure out a way to get webont knowing that we want to cooperate [action quoted verbatim from transcript]

Item 17: Issue rdfms-xml-literal-namespaces

The discussion was based around the following set of proposals:

There was no disagreement to this set of proposals.

ACTION 2002-03-15#9 (jeremy) raise a comment on xquery/xpath about corner case on behalf of rdfcore

The meeting was cut short due to a lack of time, but the WG discussed Eric's AOB.

AOB: Move rdfcore discussion to W3C server.

Eric outlined that the W3C server would serve just as well and would permit the delegation of some administrivia to Zakim, the new bridge.

Thus: starting next week, the IRC meeting point for rdfcore will be #rdfcore at irc.w3.org, port 6665 [NB: not the default port!]

DaveB will continue to provide logs of discussion. #rdfig will remain on openprojects.net

-- jan grant, ILRT, University of Bristol. http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/ Tel +44(0)117 9287088 Fax +44 (0)117 9287112 RFC822 jan.grant@bris.ac.uk Unfortunately, I have a very good idea how fast my keys are moving.

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