2003-07-18 from Graham Klyne on 2003-07-18 (w3c-rdfcore-wg@w3.org from July 2003) (original) (raw)

RDFCore teleconference: 2003-07-18

Time: 10:00:00 Fri Jul 18 2003 in America/New York duration 60 minutes + possible 30 minute extension

which is equivalent to 15:00:00 Fri Jul 18 2003 in Europe/London

Phone: +1-617-761-6200 (Zakim)#7332 irc: irc.w3.org #rdfcore

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jul/0229.html IRC log: http://ilrt.org/discovery/chatlogs/rdfcore/2003-07-18.txt

Summary of decisions:

RESOLVED: close pfps-02 as proposed msg 2003Jul/0015 RESOLVED: close pfps-06 as proposed msg 2003Jul/0013 RESOLVED: create a postponed issue to define a layered sublangauge of RDFS RESOLVED: approve tex-01 RESOLVED: approve horst-01 RESOLVED: approve xmlsch-02 with update noted

Summary of actions:

JJC apply pfps-22/23 changes as agreed last week JJC remove normative references to RDFS URI JJC remove references to term "RDF core" in Concepts BWM create postponed issue to revisit support for internationalization in the triple structure BWM draft text for primer and work with Frank to integrate it JJC add warning to Concepts 3.4 to use XML if markup required JanG update test case language-and-xml-literal to be positive entailment BWM create postponed issue to define a layered sublanguage of RDFS PatH respond further to Pan concerning layered sublanguage postponed issue JJC Update xmlsch-02 manifest with additional test:entailmentRules BWM complete last-call dance for Semantics issues, liaising with PatH as needed DaveB Draft a conformance statement for an "RDF document" BWM Review Primer DaveB Review Primer BWM Review Schema (after pending edits) JJC Run ARP against all syntax tests DaveB Review semantics (after pending edits are applied) DaveB Revise syntax doc to only references to other document status are in status and references sections

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1: scribe: GK scribes

2: Roll Call

Present: Brian McBride Dan Brickley Dan Connolly Dave Beckett Jan Grant Pat Hayes Graham Klyne, Jeremy Carroll Frank Manola Patrick Stickler Mike Dean

Regrets: None noted from non-attendees

3: Review Agenda

No changes.

4: Next telecon 24 Jul 2003 1000 Boston Time

Volunteer Scribe: danbri

5: Minutes of 11 Jul 2003 telecon

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jul/0173.html

The minutes should show that Martin and Richard were present only for the second hour of the telecon.

6: Confirm Status of Completed Actions

ACTION: 20030627#1 jang to respond to webont on test cases with a

ACTION: 20030627#3 bwm to get schema editor to reflect intensional subClassOf/subPropertyOf in schema spec.

ACTION: 20030627#7 DanC to inform WebOnt of change to semantics of subClassOf/subPropertyOf.

ACTION: 20030627#11 jjc to review syntax document at report back by july 4.

ACTION: 20030711#1 path to respond to pan-01

ACTION: 20030711#2 bwm to link to the new lBase document from the RDFCore page

ALL CONFIRMED

7: Misc Actions 20030425#10 em carry xmlsch WG's offer of help wrt xmlsch-12 to semantic web coordination group 20030711#4 danc to get a test case for pfps-09 into OWL test case doc

ALL CONTINUED

8: pfps-22,23

We agreed changes last week. Propose action jjc to apply the changes and respond to Peter.

ACTION: JJC apply pfps-22/23 changes as agreed last week

Also proposed to drop normative reference to RDFS URI in section 4. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jul/0164.html

ACTION: JJC remove normative references to RDFS URI

Also proposed to excise use of the term "RDF core" as noted by Frank and discussed on mailing list: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jul/0175.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jul/0176.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jul/0178.html

ACTION: JJC remove references to term "RDF core" in Concepts

9: XML Literal

Suggested steps to address I18N concerns: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jul/0224.html

Also suggested adding text concenring use of extra markup to convey language information in XML, in context of XHTML rather than more generally in context of arbitrary XML.

(See also title example in 7.5 of RDF M&S)

ACTION: BWM create postponed issue to revisit support for internationalization in the triple structure

ACTION: BWM draft text for primer and work with Frank to integrate it

ACTION: JJC add warning to Concepts 3.4 to use XML if markup required

ACTION: JanG update test case language-and-xml-literal to be positive entailment

http://www.w3.org/2000/10/rdf-tests/rdfcore/datatypes/Manifest.rdf#language-and-xml-literal

10: Closing Semantics Comments We have proposals to close:

pfps-02 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jul/0015.html

RESOLVED: close pfps-02 as proposed msg 2003Jul/0015

Note, the formal response should contain relevant text as the current reference is to a document that may change, AND/OR include reference to archive version of text.

pfps-06 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jul/0013.html

RESOLVED: close pfps-06 as proposed msg 2003Jul/0013

Jeff Pan's response on Pan-01 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-comments/2003JulSep/0040.html

Jeff clarifies comment to be "please define layered subset". Do we wish to create this as a postponed issue or how else should we respond?

(qu-03 seems also living under this postponed issue for making a sublanguage)

RESOLVED: create a postponed issue to define a layered sublangauge of RDFS (1 abstain)

ACTION: BWM create postponed issue to define a layered sublanguage of RDFS

ACTION: PatH respond further to Pan concerning layered sublanguage postponed issue

11: Test cases

Propose approve http://www.w3.org/2000/10/rdf-tests/rdfcore/tex-01/ http://www.w3.org/2000/10/rdf-tests/rdfcore/xmlsch-02/ http://www.w3.org/2000/10/rdf-tests/rdfcore/horst-01/

xmlsch-02 needs some clarification of entailment scope to deal with xsd datatypes, for ill-formed literal test.

RESOLVED: approve tex-01 RESOLVED: approve horst-01 RESOLVED: approve xmlsch-02 with update noted

ACTION: JJC Update xmlsch-02 manifest with additional test:entailmentRules

12: Schedule

Completing the process on last call comments http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jul/0213.html

ACTION: BWM complete last-call dance for Semantics issues, liaising with PatH as needed

Do we need a second last call?

Discussion of document changes, some are arguably substantial: See IRC log from 14:55:42 (at URI above) DanC advises: in order to not do another last call, we'll need to convince The Director that the design we've got (after all these changes) has been widely reviewed

Please draft PR request... use that as basis of last call decision

Do we need conformance statements?

ACTION: DaveB Draft a conformance statement for an "RDF document"

[Should this be "RDF/XML document"]

Status of documents and reviewing

20030627#11 jjc to review syntax document at report back by july 4. (Done)

20030627#13 path review concepts document. 20030627#12 jang review concepts document.

ACTION: BWM Review Primer

ACTION: DaveB Review Primer

Primer version to review: http://www.w3.org/2001/09/rdfprimer/rdf-primer-2003LCrevised15July.html

ACTION: BWM Review Schema (after pending edits)

ACTION: JJC Run ARP against all syntax tests

ACTION: DaveB Review semantics (after pending edits are applied)

ACTION: DaveB Revise syntax doc to only references to other document status are in status and references sections

Document reviews to be complete by 2003-07-25

When will we be ready for the next step?

Aiming to be ready to make WG decision on next step by 2003-08-01

13: Responses to Owl comments

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jun/0128.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jun/0079.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jun/0073.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jun/0161.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jun/0159.html

Not discussed

Meeting closed

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