2003-03-11 from Graham Klyne on 2003-03-11 (w3c-rdfcore-wg@w3.org from March 2003) (original) (raw)

Time: 11:00:00 Tue Mar 10 2003 in America/New York duration 120 minutes

which is equivalent to 16:00:00 Tue Mar 10 2003 in Europe/London

Phone: +1.617.761.7000 (Tobin) NOTE number change irc: irc.w3.org #rdfcore

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Mar/0042.html IRC log: http://ilrt.org/discovery/chatlogs/rdfcore/2003-03-11

Summary of decisions:

CARRIED: to strike section 4 from concepts document (pfps-14, and others) CARRIED: to postpone literals in parsetype collection (hendler-01 ) CARRIED: to accept and act upon comments (hodder-01) CARRIED: to accept and act upon comments (krech-01,jjc-01) CARRIED: to revise text in response to (pfps-15) CARRIED: to develop primer text concerning reification (danc-03) CARRIED: to change 'namespace' to 'vocabulary', except when XML namespaces are meant (pfps-17)

Summary of actions:

ACTION 2003-03-11#1, JJC: Make a proposal that abstract syntax contains canonicalized XML, with comments. ACTION 2003-03-11#2, GK: Delete section 4 of concepts document ACTION 2003-03-11#3, BWM: Move issue rdfms-assertion to postponed ACTION 2003-03-11#4, EDs: Document editors to review documents for consequential changes ACTION 2003-03-11#5, EM: Raise issue with SWCG "to prioritize further discussion ..." ACTION 2003-03-11#7, GK: Respond to (various people) on pfps-14 ACTION 2003-03-11#6, DB: Respond to WEBONT on Hendler-01 ACTION 2003-03-11#8, DB: Respond to commentator on hodder-o1 ACTION 2003-03-11#9, DB: Respond to commentator on krech-01 ACTION 2003-03-11#10, DB: Update documents as proposed in message ACTION 2003-03-11#11, FM: Update documents as proposed in message and discussion ACTION 2003-03-11#12, FM: Respond to pfps-15 ACTION 2003-03-11#13, FM: Respond to pfps-17 ACTION 2003-03-11#14, FM: Update documents as proposed ACTION 2003-03-11#15, BWM: Re-post boilerplate for response to comments

These actions not formally recorded, but seem likely to be agreed:

ACTION 2003-03-11#?1, FM: Update documents as proposed in message ACTION 2003-03-11#?2, FM: Respond to danc-03

1: Volunteer scribe

GK scribes

2: Roll Call

Present: Jeremy Carroll Frank Manola Brian McBride Eric Miller Graham Klyne Dave Beckett Mike Dean

Regrets: Jan Grant Jos de Roo

3: Next telecon 14 Mar 2003 1000 Boston Time Volunteer Scribe

(None recorded)

4: Apology Apologies to the WG that this is a cursory agenda without the usual links etc. A combination of the W3C site being down and backlog of work after the tech plenary means I didn't have the time to do better.

Process discussion: Brian queries whether the meeting is quorate. Most of the editors are present, so the decision is to proceed with the telecon as a normal working group telecon, but defer formal announcent of any decisions until after the next WG telecon, where the decisions can be retified and/or challenged.

5: Issues to be considered

see: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/20030123-issues/

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reagle-01 XMLLiteral equality reagle-02 exc-c14n throughout

discussion: http://ilrt.org/discovery/chatlogs/rdfcore/2003-03-11 16:11:32

see: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Mar/0025.html

The meeting's general consensus was to tighten up the specification to use canonicalized form in the abstract syntax, while noting that applications remain free to use a non-canonical form to represent the canonical form. This simplifies the specifications, and effectively requires that reasoners do full canonicalization, but leaves applications that don't reason about XML literal forms free to not canonicalize.

ACTION 2003-03-11#1, JJC: Make a proposal that abstract syntax contains canonicalized XML, with comments.

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pfps-14 Social Meaning

discussion: http://ilrt.org/discovery/chatlogs/rdfcore/2003-03-11 16:46:40

Jeremy reported back from the meeting in Boston: see: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Mar/0027.html

Unanimous recommendation from that meeting was to strike discussion of social meaning, and attendant issues. It was noted that this did not preclude the possibility to define these issues in another, later, document.

PROPOSED by GK to strike section 4 from concepts document see: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Mar/0029.html SECONDED by EM CARRIED with no objection or abstentions.

ACTION 2003-03-11#2, GK: Delete section 4 of concepts document ACTION 2003-03-11#3, BWM: Move issue rdfms-assertion to postponed ACTION 2003-03-11#4, EDs: Document editors to review documents for consequential changes ACTION 2003-03-11#5, EM: Raise issue with SWCG "to prioritize further discussion ..." ACTION 2003-03-11#7, GK: Respond to (various people) on pfps-14

[NOTE: hold off response until after Friday]

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hendler-01 literals in parsetype collection

discussion: http://ilrt.org/discovery/chatlogs/rdfcore/2003-03-11 16:58:28

see: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Mar/0034.html

PROPOSED BWM: RDFCore resolves to postpone this issue on the grounds that it would require extensive changes to current spec, is not a critical requirement for webont, that it would involve considering several different approaches, taking time and consequent changes to syntax draft, test cases, implementations and primer SECONDED JJC CARRIED with no objection or abstentions.

ACTION 2003-03-11#6, DB: Respond to WEBONT on Hendler-01

[NOTE: hold off response until after Friday]

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hodder-01 RDF in HTML

discussion: http://ilrt.org/discovery/chatlogs/rdfcore/2003-03-11 17:09:02

The comments are accepted.

PROPOSED DB: see: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Mar/0032.html SECONDED: GK CARRIED with no objection or abstentions.

ACTION 2003-03-11#8, DB: Respond to commentator on hodder-o1

[NOTE: hold off response until after Friday]

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krech-01 emptyPropertyElt ambiguity jjc-01 rdfms-nested-bagIDs/test007.rdf

discussion: http://ilrt.org/discovery/chatlogs/rdfcore/2003-03-11 17:11:23

The points raised are accepted.

PROPOSED DB: see: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Mar/0033.html SECONDED GK CARRIED with no objection or abstentions.

ACTION 2003-03-11#9, DB: Respond to commentator on krech-01 ACTION 2003-03-11#10, DB: Update documents as proposed in message (URI above)

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pfps-15 Say anything quote

discussion: http://ilrt.org/discovery/chatlogs/rdfcore/2003-03-11 17:16:59

see: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Mar/0054.html

It was generally felt that the intent of the current wording, in its context, was not likely to be misunderstood. But some improvements to the wording were discussed and broadly agreed.

PROPOSED PatH: Frank has editorial discretion to amend wording in light of the comment SECONDED EM CARRIED with no objection and 1 abstention.

ACTION 2003-03-11#11, FM: Update documents as proposed in message and discussion (URI above) ACTION 2003-03-11#12, FM: Respond to pfps-15

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danc-03 rdf/xml reification examples

discussion: http://ilrt.org/discovery/chatlogs/rdfcore/2003-03-11 17:37:13

PROPOSED Frank: Frank has editorial discretion to amend wording in light of the comment, per message cited below: see: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Mar/0054.html SECONDED PatH CARRIED with no objection and 1 abstention.

[[[Ooops, I notice actions not recorded in meeting. The following are suggested on the assumption that Frank agrees to accept them:

ACTION 2003-03-11#?1, FM: Update documents as proposed in message (URI above) ACTION 2003-03-11#?2, FM: Respond to danc-03 ]]]

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pfps-17 namespace v vocabulary

discussion: http://ilrt.org/discovery/chatlogs/rdfcore/2003-03-11 17:46:21

PROPOSED FM: to change 'namespace' to 'vocabulary', except when specifically talking about XML namespaces SECONDED DB CARRIED with no objection or abstention.

ACTION 2003-03-11#13, FM: Respond to pfps-17 ACTION 2003-03-11#14, FM: Update documents as proposed ACTION 2003-03-11#15, BWM: Re-post boilerplate for response to comments

Technically, "namespace name" is the correct term for "namespace URI [ref]" (per http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml-names/).

6: Issues to be considered next meeting

discussion: http://ilrt.org/discovery/chatlogs/rdfcore/2003-03-11 17:58:06

Proposals will be offered for the following issues to be discussed at the next telecon:

PatH: horrocks-01, pfps-01, qu-03

JJC: pfps-23

GK: williams-01, pfps-16, pfps-18, pfps-22, pfps-23

DaveB: timbl-01

Meeting closed

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