Minutes of RDFCore telecon 2003-05-02 from Dave Beckett on 2003-05-05 (w3c-rdfcore-wg@w3.org from May 2003) (original) (raw)
Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003May/0003.html
Transcript: http://ilrt.org/discovery/chatlogs/rdfcore/2003-05-02
NOTE: Actions have been transcribed according to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Apr/0216.html (hence the rather long action lines)
Roll call: Dave Beckett Dan Brickley Jeremy Carroll Mike Dean Jan Grant Pat Hayes Graham Klyne Brian McBride (chair) Frank Manola Eric Miller
date: 20030502
Regrets: Patrick Stickler, Jos De Roo
Item 3: Review agenda. No AOB
Item 4: Next telecon 2003-05-09 1000 Boston Time Scribe: Jeremy Carroll
Item 5: Minutes of 2003-04-25 with corrections
See: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Apr/0361.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Apr/0363.html Approved with correction (xmlsch-12 was postponed).
Item 6: Confirm Status of Completed Actions All done.
Item 7: RDFCore comments on OWL Reference
Discussion of Brian's draft comments in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003May/0002.html
DaveB, GK, FrankM, JJC read above. Discussion of use of JosD's comments on bnodes in#owlref-rdfcore-transitive-datatype-properties and after discussion, Brian really wanted that to make the point.
ACTION 20030502#1 bwm send the comments in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003May/0002.html as comments from RDFCore on OWL Reference LCWD
Item 8: RDFCore comments on OWL AS+S
Discussion of Jan's comments in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Apr/0291.html Reviewed by JJC, BWM. On 2.1 - Jan proposes to strike this comment, agreed. Jan agreed to split typos from substantive issues and give the latter issue IDs. Jan agreed to drop 2.2 comment on NFC.
Discussion of 2.3.2.1 and was unclear what the intended meaning was here. After explanation it was note that the meaning was as intended but it wasn't clear, Jan to reword to ask WebOnt to make this "hack" explicit, it was non-obvious.
ACTION 20030502#2 jang send revised OWL S+AS 2.3.2.1 words to the rdfcore list
Discussion of 4.1 and translation table - much disliked and found difficult to use, highly opaque.
ACTION 20030502#3 gk review 4.1 of AS&S especially the translation to triples table, with an eye on implementation. ACTION 20030502#4 jang split s+as comments in 0291 into editorial substantial issues, with issue ids ACTION 20030502#5 jjc explain point about use of (restrictions on use of )blank nodes in OWL DL, Lite and propose a comment for OWL
Item 9: Status on Incoming Last Call Comments
Skipped
Item 10: Issue timbl-03
ACTION 20030502#6 jjc Tell webont co-chairs that jjc will be dropping his objection to removing this on friday due to lack of webont response. ACTION 20030502#7 bwm Remind webont co-chairs about timbl-03 issue ACTION 20030502#8 eric put timbl-03 issue on the agenda for next SWCG
item 11: danc-04 add a trivially true predicate
Discussion of background to this issue -- comments, xml comments, xml schema comments and rdf comments
PROPOSED to postpone danc-04 on the grounds that: it's too new, too late and not sufficiently motivated, well understood or discussed, and could be explored in later specs. Give encouragement to try implementing this.
prop danbri; seconded jjc; against 0; abstain: 0
APPROVED danc-04 postponement
ACTION 20030502#9 bwm add danc-04 to postponed issues list ACTION 20030502#10 danbri send the formal response on postponing danc-04 to the comments list and submitter along with grounds for postponal.
Item 12: Issues vass-02 property instances
Discussion of this comment and the general approach of the FORTH group - a different interpretation of RDF M&S and it's open world design principles.
PROPOSAL in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Apr/0305.html proposed: danbri; seconded jjc; against: 0; abstain: 0
APPROVED vass-02 not accepted
ACTION 20030502#11 danbri send the formal response on non-accepting vass-02 to the comments list and submitter using message 2003Apr/0305 with a new example.
Item 13: Issues xmlsch-03 xmlsch-04 pfps-13
PROPOSED to clarify xmlsch-03 xmlsch-04 pfps-13 based on the proposal to close in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Apr/0368.html
proposed: jjc, seconded gk; against: 0; abstain: 0
ACTION 20030502#12 jjc update the Concepts WD with words after discussion with PatH and GK based on 2003Apr/0368.html text
ACTION 20030502#13 jjc send formal responses to submitters after issues dealt with in 2003Apr/0368.html
Item 14: Proposed XML schema class
Discussion of adding an rdfs:Schema to enable discover, identification and organisation of vocabularies. Comparing this to owl:Ontology as a solution, which has no formal semantics.
ACTION 20030502#14 bwm allocate a formal comment ID for the rdfs:Schema issue
PROPOSED: to accept this comment and will use owl:Ontology and will include in the schema for RDF Schema
proposed: bwm, seconded [missed], against: 0; abstain: ILRT (DaveB), PatH
ACTION 20030502#15 danbri send formal responses to submitter on this issue (after a new LC Issue ID is allocated) ACTION 20030502#16 danbri add owl:Ontology to the RDF schema for rdfs
Item 15: Language tags in typed literals.
Discussion, no consensus yet.
ACTION 20030502#17 jjc make a proposal to the list to treat XMLLiteral like any other datatype
Item 16: Issue xmlsch-01 Typed Literal Structure
Discussed with item 15.
Item 17: Issue xmlsch-02 Whitespace facets
Not reached
Meeting closed.
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