On 01/15/2014 06:45 AM, Brett Cannon wrote:

I also think that a 'b' conversion be added to bytes.format(). This doesn't have the same issue as %b if you make {}
implicitly mean {!b} in Python 3.5 as {} will mean what is the most accurate for bytes.format() in either version. It
also allows for explicit support where you know you only want a byte and allows {!s} to mean you only want a string (and
thus throw an error otherwise).

Given that !b does not exist in Py2, !s (like %s) has to mean bytes when working with a byte stream.  Given that, !s and !b would mean the same thing, so it worth adding !b?

I disagree with the assertion. %s has to mean bytes for Python 2 compatibility because there is no equivalent to '{}' (no conversion or format spec specified); basically %s represents "no conversion" for the % operator. But since format() has the concept of a default conversion as well as explicit conversions you can lean on that fact and let the default conversion do what makes sense for that version of Python.
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On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> wrote:
On 01/15/2014 06:45 AM, Brett Cannon wrote:

I also think that a 'b' conversion be added to bytes.format(). This doesn't have the same issue as %b if you make {}
implicitly mean {!b} in Python 3.5 as {} will mean what is the most accurate for bytes.format() in either version. It
also allows for explicit support where you know you only want a byte and allows {!s} to mean you only want a string (and
thus throw an error otherwise).

Given that !b does not exist in Py2, !s (like %s) has to mean bytes when working with a byte stream. Given that, !s and !b would mean the same thing, so it worth adding !b?

I disagree with the assertion. %s has to mean bytes for Python 2 compatibility because there is no equivalent to '{}' (no conversion or format spec specified); basically %s represents "no conversion" for the % operator. But since format() has the concept of a default conversion as well as explicit conversions you can lean on that fact and let the default conversion do what makes sense for that version of Python.