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On 24 Jun 2014 07:29, "Donald Stufft" <donald@stufft.io> wrote:
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\> On Jun 23, 2014, at 5:22 PM, Barry Warsaw <barry@python.org> wrote:
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\> > On Jun 23, 2014, at 05:15 PM, Donald Stufft wrote:
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\> >> Normally when I see someone suggest that switching compilers
\> >> in 2.7.x is likely to be less work than releasing a 2.8 It normally
\> >> appears to me they haven’t looked at the impact on the packaging
\> >> tooling.
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\> > Just to be clear, releasing a Python 2.8 has enormous impact outside of just
\> > the amount of work to do it. It's an exceedingly bad idea.
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\> Can you clarify?
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\> Also FWIW I’m not really married to the 2.8 thing, it’s mostly that, on Windows, the X.Y release
\> prior to the ABI thing in 3.x \_was\_ the ABI so all the tooling builds on that. So you need to
\> either
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\> 1) Stick with the old Compiler

This is what we're going with. Steve is working on making that more manageable from the Visual Studio side, and there are some folks in the numeric/scientific community looking at improving the usability of the MinGW toolchain for the purpose of building Python 2.7 C extensions.

> 2) Release 2.8

Impractical for the various reasons Barry listed.

> 3) Do all the work to fix all the tooling to cope with the fact that X.Y isn’t the ABI on 2.x anymore

Impractical for the various reasons you listed.

> I don’t think a reasonable option is:
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\> 4) Just switch compilers and leave it on someone else’s doorsteps to fix the entire packaging
\> tool chain to cope.

Agreed. We discussed this option in detail when the Stackless folks asked about it a while ago, and the conclusion was that the risk of obscure breakage was just too high.

Cheers,
Nick.

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