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Hi Lukasz, I don’t have plans on editing or promoting the PEP any further, unless there is renewed interest or somebody proposes a more Pythonic syntax.

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Mark E. Haase


On Nov 28, 2017, at 3:31 PM, Raymond Hettinger <raymond.hettinger@gmail.com> wrote:


I also cc python-dev to see if anybody here is strongly in favor or against this inclusion.

Put me down for a strong -1\. The proposal would occasionally save a few keystokes but comes at the expense of giving Python a more Perlish look and a more arcane feel.

One of the things I like about Python is that I can walk non-programmers through the code and explain what it does. The examples in PEP 505 look like a step in the wrong direction. They don't "look like Python" and make me feel like I have to decrypt the code to figure-out what it does.

timeout ?? local\_timeout ?? global\_timeout
'foo' in (None ?? \['foo', 'bar'\])
requested\_quantity ?? default\_quantity \* price
name?.strip()\[4:\].upper()
user?.first\_name.upper()


Raymond