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Sgt. Clifford Stone:
Interview transcript

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ET Interpreter: Sgt. Clifford Stone

A video interview with Clifford Stone
Roswell, New Mexico, November 2006

Shot, edited and directed by Kerry Cassidy and Bill Ryan

Clifford Stone: What do you want? A story that is believable or do you want the truth? What’s going on? How much does our government know and when did they know it?

Kerry Cassidy: You were the interface between the government or the military, and alien visitors. Would that be correct?

C: That would be correct. There is a price to pay when you start talking, and I don’t want to go into that too much because when you start reliving it, you have no idea what I’m seeing in my mind right now, just talking about the tip of the iceberg.

Two or three times I got out of the UFO field but you want me to tell you a little secret? You can’t. There are people out there and I’m one of them…it’s not about money. God, I wish it was. We could be going outside of the cosmos visiting other solar systems, other planets outside of our own. But when we do this it’s going to be that we are going to have a spiritual heightening. In other words, we are going to have to care what happens to the other guy.

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K

: Clifford Stone, I’m very happy to be able to interview you here today. And there is a great deal of respect for what you have done and for your courage in coming forward and talking about it. It’s very exciting to actually get you on camera.

C: Thank you, ma’am.

K: And so we are here actually in a really amazing place. This is the Roswell UFO Museum. Do you mind telling us how you ended up in Roswell?

C: Well, The United States Army sent me here. I’m retired military.

K: OK…

C: So, being retired military, you are always subject to recall and you are always subject to possibly being asked things as a consultant. I retired as a Sergeant First Class.

K: Now, was your title a clerk? I understand that was a cover story? Is that correct?

C: You actually had, you had a real life in the military. You had an actual mission. The only time that this other stuff came into play was when they had a UFO incident that was to occur and you were in the immediate area of that. I can tell you in 1965 in Vietnam there was a base camp there that tried to open fire on a UFO. At the very minute they tried to do that none of their weapons worked. All the electricity went out and remained so until after the UFO left. I can tell you from being in Vietnam for four years, yes it was four years, the records reflect 37 months but if you add up the time of TDY that I was over there, it is right at four years, ‘TDY’ being Temporary Duty. Not having the power on anything is very, very scary and those were very, very tense moments.

K: As a Communicator, you were called that just in terms of your military life, from what age did you start working in this capacity would you say?

C: It was probably at about the age of about 19 or 20.

K: OK.

C: When it comes to people who do Interfacing, there is no school for that. There were things that went on in your life, when I got out there were seven people that were still in the military that did Interfacing, only seven, and that was military-wide.

And I was put into an incident where we had a situation that we weren’t told exactly where it was but I know …that we landed at Ben Hua because when I look back, there was a sign, that’s where we landed.

K: Ben Hua?

C: That’s in Vietnam.

K: Oh.

C: I know it was Ben Hua because it was the same when I went back. Now this was an incident that occurred…

K: Was it a crash? Or was it a visit?

C: We saw the entities.

K: OK…

C: This involved us going in and to try to extract an aircraft and we did, we cut it up into, I think, about seven pieces.

K: OK. Was it one of theirs?

C: No, no, no. This was a B-52…

K: OK…

C: …that didn’t crash normal.

K: Was it a time travel experience?

C: Nope. This was a craft that was shot down. Everybody was killed on… everybody was dead onboard the B-52.

K: Shot down by the visitors?

C: They were on a bombing mission over…. I have no way of knowing this but I would assume they were on a bombing mission over North Vietnam. The damage to the craft was as a result of anti-aircraft fire at the B-52. I mean the damage was that type. And it was used for conventional bombing. And where I said that we went in, we went from there by helicopter. But it was just like some giant hand had grabbed the plane out of mid-air and just set it on the jungle floor. And that’s what we were interested in.

K: Oh...

C: We didn’t know, you are not told. When we got on the plane in the States to leave to go over there, we were told we were going to Florida.

K: [laughs]

C: When we landed in Oakland, we knew that we were not going to Florida. But then we went ahead and we were given a little plastic bag. You had to cut “US ARMY” off, you had to cut your name tag off. One thing you never do is take your dog tags off. We took our dog tags off. Every item that could identify you went into that plastic bag. That was held for us there at Ben Hua. That was held for us there until we came back. After the event occurred they put me in this GP… I mean a tent… There was a table there, there was a chair, there was a pad, there was I think a couple of pens but I grabbed a pencil. I was to set there and just put down my thoughts.

K: OK…

C: Anyhow, getting back to the tent, that was all that was there. I went ahead, went in and got bored, and I started to play games of tic-tac-toe. I went outside to smoke and took the paper with me, wadded it up and put it in my pocket. When they found that piece of paper – now remember, all that was on it was just little games of tic-tac-toe – immediately the guy that I always called the colonel who was always there, he came and knocked the cigar out of my mouth and started to cuss at me profusely: “What are you doing out there? Why do you have that?” “You can be shot for having that paper in your pocket.” Why? It was classified waste. You didn’t take paper in there, you took nothing in there. And everything that was in there was to stay there. So everything that I wrote was immediately put into a... into a briefcase, and was taken out of there by special courier. And even though I wrote it, I was no longer cleared to see it any more.

K: Hmm…

C: Now, did you write things sometimes that you didn’t even know you wrote? Yeah, you did. I can tell you right now that everything I read I can have a greater understanding of some of the stuff I am doing. Paul [his friend, who came with him to meet us] can tell you that I do a whole lot of stuff as far as downloading. But you know what? I don’t have to read every page... but I’ll scan every page. While I am scanning, through me they can pick up on every thing that’s there. It’s all old news to them but they find some things interesting. And they’ll find some things that are bemusing to them because we are headed in the right direction but we don’t have the right “i” dotted. And if you know anything about mathematical formulas, we will have things in reverse. But this right here sometimes scares you because you think, gee, is this a good… because you’re being driven to do this.

K: So it’s fascinating, that we don’t think of Vietnam and during the war as a time when we would also be dealing with off-world cultures.

C: You know why? They truly were told to call them helicopters. You were in a war zone, so what you do is you go in and put a little Occam’s Razor in there and you eliminate to the lowest denominator. UFOs can’t exist. Let me rephrase that. UFOs is not a good term. Interplanetary Conveyances cannot exist, so it has to be something very earthly. NSA went ahead and would call UFOs "UFOs" when we were monitoring communications with the Soviet Union. But they always qualified that in hopes that with the initiation of the Sunshine Act, later to become the Freedom of Information Act, that they would not be subject to those acts by saying seven UFOs being reported by such and such a location and site. But when they would say seven UFOs, in parentheses, they would put: probably balloons. Disregard the fact that, in the one document I am talking about, the seven UFOs were traveling at 1700 mph. Balloons can’t do that.

K: Right.

C: I always got bemused at that, because even as a kid I’d get bemused when people would say “I don’t believe in ghosts. However, this happened...” and then tell a perfectly good ghost story. With me I very early on knew that to deny the reality of UFOs and other phenomena that occurs would be denying myself.

K: So as a communicator you definitely…

C: You don’t always tell the others what’s going on. Remember it I told you, you feel it?

K: Yes, you feel what they feel and they feel what you feel.

C: You don’t always address it because one of the things that you may feel like, if they’re saying that they are a guest. If our military is saying “Well, this is one of our guests”… they’re not treating that entity as a guest, then what is happening is that you are feeling what that entity was feeling..

K: Uh huh…

C: And... one situation I even helped one of them escape. And that right there was _[laughs]_… I’m not telling everything that was being said…

K: I’m curious. What went on when you dealt with that? Was it... first of all, what kind of an entity was it? And I understand that they were being held prisoner. But how was it that you were able...? And in fact, Dan Burisch talks about the same thing.

C: Well, I don’t know whether it was a Stargate or what, but in order on the inside where we had this entity, if we were to… and there’s a tape that talks about this which gives a whole lot more detail… but we went ahead, and if they were to try to extract this entity from inside where we were at, then there’d have been people killed. And this entity would not accept that. And you could feel what it felt. That’s the best way to put it. And I’m trying to tell this without going into any real... certain details. But, I convinced the person I always called the Colonel, and all throughout that’s what I was calling him. We went ahead… and I said, you know, he needs to show me something, but everybody has to be cleared from here and it’s just gotta be me and him.

And everybody went ahead and left. There was one Spec 5 that stayed there to help me. And I said “We’ve got to cut this screen fence back here…or this storm fence.” “We can get in trouble for that.” And I said “Yeah, I know, that’s why I’m asking you to just drop off the bolt cutters”.[laughing] He didn’t. He went ahead and he cut the wires for me. And we got the entity outside.

By the time they found out, we had the entity outside the perimeter. They went ahead and were very upset and were even to the point when they tried to shoot the entity, but the entity was now in a position where there was a bright, bright, bright light that came down. And I didn’t get to see the craft. Maybe it was because I just wasn’t looking. But all of a sudden this entity was there, then it wasn’t. Then of course, this guy I called The Colonel, he went ahead and told me that I could be court marshaled, then “We’re going to overlook it this time, but don’t let it happen again.”

Of course, I was chastising him: “If they’re supposed to be our guests… why were we treating them cruel and treating them as prisoners, as a matter of fact even worse than prisoners?” I’ve never seen either movie of the Manchurian Candidate. And the one thing that we had, we had identified by the time I got out, 57 different species. They were affectionately called Heinz 57. I understand there is a phrase in one of those movies about that.

K: Uh huh…

C: Gee, I’d love to say there’s only two or three races …only four or five or even one. I’d love to say that, but with what I know, if I change anything that I do know, then it’s not reality, it’s just going ahead and saying things that people want to hear.

K: Uh huh. Well, why would you say you would want to say there was only one or two?

C: Oh well, some people would say “We would find your story more believable if you would say…” And “Gee. Can’t this entity be gray because it’d be more believable?” What do you want, a story that’s believable or do you want the truth? The truth may not fit what you believe, but it’s the truth as I know it. And with it being the truth as I know it, that’s all I can tell.

K: So have you ever... I’m going to assume they must photograph these beings? Right?

C: There’s photographs.

K: OK. And... what about you? Do you ever draw them? Do you have drawings of them?

C: Yeah, I’ve got some drawings.

K: And have you ever distributed...

C: No.

K: Are you able… at liberty to give them out at all? Or show them?

C: Some I have and some I haven’t.

K: And are you familiar with underground bases?

C: And the technology that goes along with it.

K: OK. And so, I’m going to assume you have been to underground bases yourself?

C: Not by choice.

K: Not by choice? That’s believable. But have you also seen, say, Reptilians, what’s called, you know, in the UFO community, what we call Reptilians?

C: Some species could be called Reptilians, yes.

K: And are you able to communicate with them telepathically?

C: They can communicate with you. It’s hard to explain. You can’t keep secrets.

K: Sure.

C: The other thing I would remind everyone is that the program is geared and set up to where you only know what you have a need to know. And a lot of times you know more than what you’re supposed to know, but you don’t know everything.

K: Sure.

C: And I reiterate that anyone who tells you they know everything is a liar. It’s not true.

K: Do you have any special alien friends that have remained with you throughout, that are with you today? Communicating…

C: I mentioned one.

K: I’m sorry?

C: I mentioned one.

K: One. OK. That would be Korona?

C: Correct.

K: OK and Korona is… do you know what planet he’s from?

C: Uh uh. I know it is about 100 light years away from here, because I always use that as an example.

K: OK…

C: Real-time, from the time they leave, and there’s a little nice thing about that, from the time they leave their home planet which is in a star system about 100 light years from planet Earth, in real-time travel, it is an hour and forty minutes from the time they leave and the time they arrive here.

K: That’s marvelous. What kind of craft do they use? Do they teleport through space or do they actually take a craft? Because not all of them...

C: It’s a craft. They are really traveling. But it’s through a traversable…what we call a traversable wormhole.

K: Uh huh. Now, have you ever gone with them?

C: To best of my knowledge, no. And the reason I state that, I can remember seeing the stars that I’ve never seen them like that anywheres on Earth. But to the best of my knowledge, no.

K: So you don’t have conscious memory, is what you mean? Of these incidents. But you could have.

C: There have been some things that are really scary that’s happened in my life. I mean you feel it, you actually feel the fear before you actually see the entity.

K: So a person like you, we would think that you would not be afraid because you are so conscious of your interaction with these beings that I’m surprised to hear you say that you’re actually afraid. Are you afraid to this day? Or are you talking in past tense?

C: When I have these incidences happen, yeah, you still have that fear. I mean, that fear’s there. Even more so, because you can feel the fear they have. We’re a very dangerous species.

K: Sure.

C: So you better believe it, they fall into our hands, there is that fear.

K: OK. So, and this is part of the reason why I’m going to assume they approach you as a communicator or interfacer as you call it. Right?

C: Well, they’re very concerned about our well-being. And a lot of people say that can’t be so. We’ve done terrible things to ourselves. And they know this. And we… they’re trying to understand certain things about us. And I think at the same time they’re exchanging information saying “Hey, here’s what you have done to yourself.” I think that ties in a lot with some of the abductions that have taken place. I think it ties in with some of the cattle mutilations that have taken place, and I think it ties in with some of the people absolutely disappearing off the face of the Earth.

K: OK, so there are people that are disappearing on a regular basis, right?

C: Oh yes.

K: And they’re going to other planets? They are going to off-world bases, I’m assuming…?

C: I don’t have the answer to that.

K: OK.

C: If you are asking me if I could have left here possibly, but like I say there’s a purpose and I don’t know what that purpose is.

K: Is your mission to make people aware, not only of the other entities out there and other races and so on, but is it also perhaps to prepare or warn of some event? Because you seem to be alluding to some event that you don’t even know about.

C: As two points far out, they’re becoming closer and closer together till eventually, and we ultimately know it’s going to happen. Contact’s going be made. The NASA Department of Astrobiology held a conference in 2000. Forget the Brookings Institute Report. This report came out and said “You know, we don’t really know what world reaction would be”. It’s a small report. How many people have read that report? How many people even know about it? When we say that we can accept the reality of visitors being here, we mean us ourselves. But even when we can accept that, how many of us are really ready for that face to face confrontation? And I can tell you, each time it’s different. Each time there is that little something in the back of your mind that says “What’s going to happen here?”

And each time you know that if something goes wrong, it’s going to equate... it could equate to the loss of life. Not because they’re dangerous but we’re a danger to ourselves. So the whole situation is: how do you prepare a world population for that ultimate contact, which isn’t as astro-astronomers used to believe, that it’s going to be by a radio signal from deep space coming here, but it’s going to be face to face and it’s going happen on our planet.

K: Sure. Well, it’s happening daily with the military, is it not?

C: Oh, even more so than what people really know. But here again, most people aren’t going to talk about it.. The one thing you want when you get out of the military, the one thing you want more than anything... is to be normal.

K: Why? Why? Why do you want to be normal?

C: To me the greatest thing you can be is a servant. Taking care of other people is the most important thing. The Self, the Self should get gratification from being able to help other people. That’s important. But all too often people will put themselves ahead of others. And right there is where we have the problems today, in today’s world.

K: I guess, to get back to where you are saying there’s going to be contact, in a sense you are in the forefront, a person who can prepare the rest of humanity for this actual contact because you have been having contact. In a sense the aliens or the off-worlders have basically been communicating, been choosing the people around the planet to communicate with, of which you are one, right? And so contact is something that is being prepared for as we speak, is it not?

C: Worldwide.

K: OK. Are you thinking… a lot of people like to say it’s going to happen for the world to see, aliens are going to land on the White House lawn. Something of this nature.

C: No.

K: In a certain sense, it’s going on every day. The military is dealing with... certainly they have captured, as you say, they are holding prisoner some of these entities. We have also had treaties with some of the races, have we not?

C: OK, I’ve heard about the treaties. But here again, that’s not a part of something I’ve worked with.

K: OK.

C: Well, I’ll tell you this, I think that by 2016 that something better have happened. Because at 2016 I think that we’re going to have to announce to the world that there’s a probe that comes very close to the Earth every 15 or 20 years. And we’ve been calling it an asteroid. It’s not an asteroid. But it actually in reality is an artificial probe. In other words, somebody else put it here. They have found us long time ago. The technology will probably be pretty much on a par to, say, Voyager. It’ll be old antiquated technology by all their standards.

K: So what are you saying? Is this probe… do you know what race?

C: I’m saying we have already found it. Our paradigm says that it can’t be an artificial craft of any sort, therefore we refuse to accept that and we call it an asteroid. I’m talking about BG1991. Roughly 30 meters in diameter, highly polished surface. Asteroids don’t have a highly polished surface. It took corrective course changes to avoid collision with another asteroid. That don’t happen. This one it did.

K: So where... what race is this from, from what planet? Do you know?

C: I don’t know.

K: Do you think that the aliens have given you an upgrade, have modified your DNA in any way? Are you aware that your abilities have been augmented or have grown?

C: Yeah, but you try not to use those because you can... you know of things that are going to happen before they happen. And a lot of times you can’t do anything to change them. Like I knew that, didn’t know who, but I knew one of my kids was going get killed on a motorcycle. And that’s hard. I mean before my son was killed, on the Wednesday prior to that, I knew that he parked the motorcycle in back of the car …I knew that I could go ahead, back up over it, and run over it a couple of times. But I also knew the family would not understand that I did that to stop with what was… let me rephrase it…as an attempt to stop what I knew was going to happen.

K: So you’re a precog? I mean, this is what they call a precog. You knew in the future before it happened. You were not able to necessarily change it or stop it. But there’s a reason why things happen. I mean you must agree?

C: Oh yeah…

K: So, in a sense that must be a peace for you because it’s not just that we... that you know, but also souls know what might happen. Souls are aware. In other words, we are all aware when we are going to die. We might not know it consciously, but we do know, right? So, in that sense it’s not your responsibility either to prevent a happening or not if that’s something that in a sense that we as souls agree to the scenario happening. Right?

C: Well, like I say, with them, they can even communicate with what we call the other side. But even at that, given their advanced technology there are still forbidden questions.

K: OK.

C: I’m tried to avoid saying something here. Let’s just say that with the death of my son… they helped me visit with him one time.

K: Sure.

C: Like I told you there are questions unless you ever ask… it was… I knew if I go back fifteen minutes, I knew where he was all those locations. If I could go back fifteen minutes, I could stop the accident from happening. All I had to do was delay his movement anywheres along that fifteen minutes for just a minute or so…and I would alter the outcome.

K: But…

C: But once again, there’s that break off. Here’s our reality [motioning with hands]. Here you create that other parallel. And for some odd reason it’s not good to create that other parallel, and they know this. Also, it was pointed out that you cannot escape the reality of this time continuum that we find ourselves, because his death is reality to me in this time frame I find myself. The Second World War happened. I must return to the point from which I depart within that space time. I’m not going to remain in the other one. And a lot of people, like I said the other night, would stay there. No, because it was pointed out to me quite clear. And I can’t explain this... I couldn’t go and debate it scientifically, but it’s a natural barrier. Which is why with time travel, when we discover it in our future, we’re not going to find evidence of it being left anyplace along the line… because of that natural barrier. We may even see them, we may sense them, we may even be able to interact to a degree. But nothing associated with the future tied with the day we discover time travel is going to be left in any altered reality. They say OK, time travel hasn’t happened yet because we would have evidence of it. Uh uh, there won’t be any evidence left. And there’s a natural barrier there. The whole situation is we are a part of something greater, more vast and we’re on an adventure. And we’re a part of that adventure.

K: Uh huh…

C: And we all play certain parts in that. But just like when you brought it up about they are us … and I say, [referring to Paul] he’s heard me say this, he got a grin on his face when you said that. But the whole situation is: we look for the differences. In species, the 57, look for the similarities. When we look for those similarities and we then begin to realize just how much we have in common and eventually we come to the point of one thought: _they are us_… because everything within the universe is interconnected. All species are interconnected. Anybody ever ask why the common denominator is humanoid? You would not expect to find that if there was not some type of galactic blueprint. You become spiritually enlightened by going through this life, even those that we say are insane. On the other side they are not insane.

K: Maybe we could find out a little bit about the types of visitors that you’ve dealt with? Do you see them physically? Or are you actually in an altered state, or are you able to see them in your mind? And do you communicate with them telepathically?

C: They are as physical as you and I.

K: OK…

C: Yes, it would be telepathic. Some could talk like you and I.

K: OK.

C: But you’ll have a lot that... they won’t do that, and they all just want to communicate with you. But there’s one thing you have to keep in mind, this is what a lot of people overlook, and that’s why it gets to be so hard to talk about. You’re not just talking to them. They know, and they feel everything you know and you feel. You go in, you feel what they feel. And see some of these…. we weren’t real good guys. We use the term visitor...

K: Sure.

C: But they’re treated like prisoners…

K: I understand…

C: …and there is no law under “protection” to protect them.

K: Mm hm. Dan Burisch has talked about this as well.

C: In 1960, and I can provide you with the document: we have put together and formulated, NASA did, a book that they call Outer Space Law. It would not be until the 1970s that the question of the legal rights of a sentient being, not of this world, even came into play. And you know what those rights are? There aren’t any.

K: Still to this day, you’re saying.

C: No more than the rights… a lab animal would have more rights that one of our visitors. And yet they are vastly superior to us in intellect and even in spirituality. They would permit themselves to be killed – many of them would, many of the species – other than to do something that would cause us to get injured or killed. And forgive me [emotional], but this is what I’m trying to avoid.

K: I understand. OK, so, they, in a certain sense, would sacrifice themselves because they have a deeper understanding of what’s really going on than we do.

C: Absolutely.

K: So you must be very highly tuned spiritual being yourself in order to be able to communicate with various races from other planets the way you have, and to talk about it the way you do. That’s really a gift. As you say, it’s not something taught, it’s something you come into this incarnation with.

C: I like to think of myself... I want to be normal, if you understand what I’m saying.

K: OK.

C: I know what you’re saying.

K: Externally, you appear like a normal person and you’ve certainly held some very normal types of jobs in addition to what you did, right? But you’re also _ultra_-normal, or you actually have used some of the parts of humanity that are good parts that are not used by the average man. Is that right?

C: Well, I hope so… [laughs]

K: OK. So that’s a beautiful thing. And we’re very happy to meet someone in person who’s been doing this.

C: Well, with me, I think, the one thing... let me see if I can say this and get it through real quick. When I was young, I played with children that other people couldn’t see. To me this was perfectly normal. And I knew about the imaginary friends and things of this sort, but this was different. And it was perfectly normal. They’d even help me with my homework…and this was perfectly normal. Now, no-one else could see these people. And of course, I couldn’t understand that. Of course they would tell me “they haven’t been selected, they can’t see us.” Because I was trying to tell other people they were there. The one thing I could not do is that in being normal, I thought other people had these same experiences, as a child not realizing that that wasn’t the case. That was part of my environment, that was part of my reality, these were things that were happening to me. But I thought everyone had these experiences. But when I found out and when it came to me that people were calling you crazy and you were different... it would have been real easy to be normal and say... Haha…the joke’s on you, and deny what was happening. I can not explain why could not do that, but I could not do that.

K: OK…

C: And everything was going on… nothing out of the real ordinary happened. And until... I always cared about animals, and if I found one injured, I’d always try to nurse it back to health. As a child I did not understand... that if you had a cut my mom would always hold my hand under the water, or something like that, to wash it off. Well, I found this little bird, it fell out of the nest and I went and got that little… I’m trying to tell this without… I went and got that little bird and I held it under the faucet not realizing that I was going to drown it doing that. The intent was to help it. I probably cried for over a week over killing that little bird.

K: Uh huh…

C: Immediately for the first time ever, what I was calling children… I got to see how they really looked. And this one particular entity, I always knew as Korona... I was told “I’m Korona”, and that’s with a “K”. At the time I didn’t even know how to spell Korona.

K: What kind of race... what would you term him, what kind of being?

C: People would like for me to say he was gray. But he wasn’t, he was green, and I mean like a pastel green. But immediately he wanted to know why did I feel what I was feeling. This was unusual. And immediately it was why did I feel what I was feeling that he could feel… because he was more like a monitor with me.

K: So, he has a natural empathic quality and abilities and it appears so did you. So it went both ways, as the telepathy goes both ways.

C: I’ll carry it a step further. We see our visitors as cartoon characters. They have cultures, they have societies, they have families, they have loves, they have dislikes, they have likes, they can feel pain, and they can feel fear.

K: So, this was maybe your first introduction into that world in a more personal way, right?

C: It was the first glimpse, a shock... that these things go on but not everyone shares them. And you never felt so alone. I can remember breaking down and crying, begging my mom and dad to take me to see a doctor because I knew the doctor could make the monsters go away.

K: I’m wondering if someone like you, one of seven, who is able to communicate with aliens, wasn’t taken to a base on the Moon, or a base on Mars. Now, whether or not you remember it, because I don’t know if they use techniques to have you forget certain parts of your experience.

C: There are things that I have no idea of could have happened here on planet Earth… that I have very vivid memories of... that I don’t see. For example, have you ever heard of a coffee cup that’s small, that you put coffee in it and the coffee jar or whatever, it’s not a percolator… golden color, cups were golden color, but you put the coffee in there and you can drink it and it fills right back up. Now you see what I’m saying? You understand why I’m hesitant to talk too much about stuff like that?

K: OK. So that’s really amazing. You have to admit from the point of view of people that haven’t gone to the Moon or Mars... here you are sitting talking to us and yet you may have had experiences that are so far beyond our everyday experience on this planet and you must be… I mean, there must be level at which you would love to share those experiences.

C: Oh yeah. And sometimes I make mistakes and I let people see some things that I shouldn’t have let them see. Because this is a part of something that is in my life that I’m to do something with.

K: Sure.

C: I don’t understand that. I don’t know what it is.

K: That’s amazing because you have worked with this world since the 60s, so you’re talking about 40-odd years and you’re still wondering what it is, it’s all about for you in terms of your destiny, in terms of what it is you’re here to do in the future, I guess. Am I understanding you?

C: There is something that is going to happen and there is something that we’re to be a part of. And I don’t know what that is.

K: You started in the 1960s as an Interfacer?

C: Late 1960s.

K: OK. And I’m going to assume clear up until today. Because you don’t lose the skill and if you’re one of seven, every once in a while they’re going to come knocking on your door.

C: Well, they check on you from time to time.

K: OK. Visitors out there, different communities. They certainly know how to find you, where you are at any given time and how to, as you say, see what it is you’re going through. For example, they could be seeing this going on right now. They could even have said to you: “Go ahead with this, because this is a good thing.” Right? So, in a sense you’re talking about your destiny. Meaning it’s not about money…it’s not even really a job in the formal sense of the word, right? It’s a mission, but it’s an Earthly mission, in a sense, that you have.

C: I would go along with that, that there’s... you’re being driven to do something, you don’t have to fully understand it, but it’s something you have to do. And the other scary aspect about it? You know you... you don’t know why and you don’t know what, but it’s coming to an apex, that what you’re doing, you’re fighting the clock.

K: Is the clock 2012? Is that the clock you’re looking at?

C: I don’t know. And a lot of people say “Gee, if you are worked with this you have all the answers.” You don’t have all the answers. And he who comes up and told you they have all the answers is not being truthful with you. You don’t know what it is. Why would one want to go ahead, be in this field and subject themselves to ridicule? And there are family problems. The situation is, my family doesn’t understand this. They’ve been around enough they know, my wife more so than my kids. I guess my daughter in Vietnam. We had a daughter we’d been fighting to get out of Vietnam for almost 30 years. Anyhow, when she came over of course she had her own family with her. And when we started to talk about UFOs, they all knew about it and they all knew about certain things I was involved in and it was the government of Vietnam had told them, which kinda shocked me. And right now there is tremendous interest among a lot of the people in Vietnam about UFOs.

K: Oh, really.

C: One of the first things that happened in Vietnam was... and they called me by my proper name. Most people call me Stoney or Cliff, but... we shot at these guys and I was the first one who pulled the trigger. And it was “Clifford, what are you doing here? You’re not supposed to be here.” And I was in the military and we were on a mission… but the strange thing is… that what were they trying to say? That I wasn’t supposed to be in military? Now remember, our military, here on Earth, that is man’s. Our visitors, what did they plan for me to do?

K: Well, can you answer your question? I mean...

C: I have no answers. I have more questions than you have about myself.

Two or three times I got out of the UFO field. Want me to tell you a little secret? You can’t. There are people out there, and I’m one of them... it’s not about money – God, I wish it was – I struggle every... and he can tell you [referring to Paul], every month just to make my bills. It’s more than that. But the hardest thing to do right now is make people think for themselves, and to read. If they think for themselves, and they read the documentation that’s out there – and I’m referring to the government’s own evidence – if they read that with an open mind and they have to come away and say “You know, there’s more to this. Something is going on”.

K: Sure.

C: Then the only questions left to be answered are these: What’s going on? How much does our government know? And when did they know it?

K: OK, well we want to thank you for your courage, and for your integrity and for your spiritual development or awareness that makes you able to communicate with these off-worlders at a time when few on the planet are able to do so consciously.

[Over rolling end credits]

C: There were times that we were just minutes away from going to a nuclear exchange because of UFO sightings. Thanks to the Hotline that was set up, which the American people were truthfully told this was to ensure that there wasn’t a nuclear war started by accident due to false returns… and of course everybody had war scares. UFOs were a reality. UFOs existed. They were being reported. They were being picked up on radar. You had both radar and radar visuals that were taking place, you had fighters trying to intercept them, so in order to reassure one another that we’re not doing this, and it should have been commonplace that if we had this technology or if they had that technology… there was nothing the other side could do anyhow. We had missiles that would be knocked out, not destroyed, but made incapable of firing. We had fighter aircraft that would fire on UFOs and the weapons wouldn’t work.

K: You have actually used some of the parts of humanity that are good parts, that are not used by the average man, is that right?

C: Well, I hope so... [laughter]

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