The Lawless One - Chapter XIV (original) (raw)

Chapter XIV

Ed note: That’s right, XIV follows XII, just like in hotels. Well, except the “hotel california” (synonym for the church of satan) where all the floors are XIII. http://lasttrumpetnewsletter.org/2010/03_10_l.html)

There was a knock on door. Just the head of Greg, the stagehand, peered from behind the door.

“Mind if I come in?” asked Greg.

“Come on in!” said Chuck.

Stuart added, “We’re always glad to see you, the purveyor of delicious and free food. Did I mention free food?”

“Well,” said Greg, “You’re stuck with fajitas and fixings again today.”

“My favorite!” exclaimed Evelyn.

Everyone gathered around the cart of fajitas and fixings and started filling their plate.

Greg said, “Hey, Chuck. I was reading my “Last Trumpet Newsletter” and it was talking about the Beast and the number thirteen and it made me think of your play. Mind, if I read it?”

“Sure, go ahead,” said Chuck.

Greg removed from his back pocket some half-folded papers and unfolded them on the table.

“Here it is,” Greg announced, as he started to read.

The Beast of the Potomac!

Since the election of Barack Hussein Obama to the office of President of the United States, we have been watching a strange, clandestine, and grotesque power rising in Washington, D.C. It is quite obvious that something is very wrong. Because of my background in the occult before my conversion, I cannot help but to be acutely aware of occultism in our government and religions. In the world of the occult, the number thirteen is vitally important. It is the number of witches in a coven, and it indexes the number of spells cast by them. Everything is done in thirteen's. Neophyte witches are first allowed to enter the outer court of the circle at age thirteen. That number is also instrumental in the greater and lesser arcanes of the tarot cards. In fact, in the regular playing card deck, there are thirteen cards in each suit; and the joker, which is said to be Jesus, is left out, except in games of blasphemy.

Barack Obama seems to be obsessed with the number thirteen. He recently commissioned thirteen teams of census workers to travel across our country in thirteen vehicles with banners promoting the 2010 census. Thousands of census workers are being hired temporarily with their average pay being around thirteen dollars per hour. In Obama's recent State of the Union Address, the President announced that money was being allocated to build thirteen new light rail systems that will create thirteen thousand new jobs. (1) There are so many more examples of Obama's obsession with the number thirteen that I could not mention them all in this newsletter. I must mention, however, that Barack Obama broke national tradition by refusing to give his State of the Union Address on January 20th. Instead, he chose the date 1-27-2010. In occult numerology everything is broken down to single digits, and zeros mean nothing. Thus, the date 1-27-2010 totals thirteen! This is all beyond the realm of coincidence!

“Wow”, said Evelyn. More thirteens! Pretty scary stuff. You’d have to be blind not to see it.”

“Or want to be blind,” said Stuart.

“Amen to that,” said Obadiah.

“Well, it sure caught my attention,” said Greg. “While I’m here, what do you all think of obamacare?

Obadiah said, “I thought it was interesting what James Brownlow noticed on Five Doves. You know, because of recent vacancies in the US House there are a different number of legislators needed than usual for a simple majority. And, because of the way they changed the rules, this, what you could call, historic piece of legislation would only take 216 yes votes to pass. Here we have another example of the number of the lawless one stamped all over it with 6 times 6 times 6.”

Dave said, “I thought the date the lawless one signed it into law was also interesting. I mean March 23, 2010. Think about it. That’s exactly 66 calendar months before September 23, 2015. I also figured out that it takes exactly 2010 days from this date to arrive at September 23, 2015. What a marker for the year 2010! Especially if obamacare is the blueprint for the mark of the beast. Here, let me find where I wrote this all down. Oh, here it is. I also took the idea that 5 times 5 times 5 precedes the takeover of 6 times 6 times 6. So then it makes sense that it will take exactly 5 times 5 times 5, which is 125, times 6, which is a total of 750 days to go from March 23, 2010 to April 11, 2012. Okay, let’s see. That’s also 25 times 30 or 25, 30 day months. Also, from June 7, 1967 to March 23, 2010 is exactly 521, 30 day months. And 521 is 125 reversed.”

Greg said, “Okay, well Wow, I hadn’t realized you’re all over this like grease on a stick.”

Dave said, “Well, I’d say John Clark on Five Doves is all over this more like grease on a stick. Where’s that link? Oh, here it is:”

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/march2010/johnc326.htm

“He brings up that on March 23, 2010 the lawless one also rebuffed and publicly humiliated Binyamin Netanyahu when he dumped him for dinner. Two significant events in one day.”

Evelyn said, “Reminds me of wasn’t it July 24, 2008 when he also did two significant things? You know, he put the note in the wailing wall in Jerusalemand on the same day he flew to Berlin, Germanyand gave his “world that stands as one” speech from their reconstruction of the seat of satan. Pretty scary stuff.”

Chuck said, “Not to take away from any of this, but I thought it was really interesting that the lawless one used 22 different pens to sign obamacare into law. Think about that. He signed his name using 22 different pens. We were just talking about how there are exactly 22 different ways his name totals to 666. Think of it!

“Amazing!” exclaimedVirginia.

Everyone paused and sat there thinking about what had just been said.

Greg broke the silence. “I need to get going,” said Greg. “I had a question for you Chuck before I go, if you don’t mind.”

“What’s on your mind?” asked Chuck.

Greg continued, “Well, your play. It only covers the beast. You know, the lawless one. But the book of Revelation says there are two main characters before the millennium. It says that both the beast and the false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire.”

“You are correct,” said Chuck. “I’ve got the verse handy. Here it is.”

And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. Revelation 19:20

“Did you notice,” continued Chuck, “That neither of these two died first? They both were thrown alive into the lake of fire. Of course, death and hell are both thrown into the lake of fire later on also. Where is that? Oh, here it is.”

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:14-15

“Let me read one more verse,” said Chuck.

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: Matthew 25:46

“See, God prepared the lake of fire for the devil and his angels but ends up using it for all the humans as well after the millennium who are not found written in the book of life. But sorry, Greg, you were saying.”

Greg continued, “Well, your play only covers the lawless one, which you identify at the beginning of your play as the third horseman. Doesn’t that leave the fourth horseman yet to ride? And where’s the false prophet?

Chuck said, “That’s very perceptive of you, Greg. Yes, that does leaves the fourth horseman yet to ride. What do you think? Do you think the fourth horseman could be the third horseman after his mortal wound has been healed? But then you’d have a horseman that would have to been black and then became white.”

Evelyn said, “You mean like Michael Jackson?”

Chuck said, “Well, that’s not exactly what I meant. I was just throwing out possibilities. Or maybe the fourth horseman is the false prophet. Both the lawless one and the false prophet are singled out to be thrown into the lake of fire. Maybe the false prophet is the fourth horseman.”

Obadiah said, “Looks like we have a puzzle wrapped in an enigma.”

Chuck said, “So Greg, who do you think is the fourth horseman?”

Greg said, “Well, since you asked, personally, I can’t decide between Prince Charles and Prince William. If Prince Charles is the fourth horseman then he would be older than the third horseman. That doesn’t make much sense. However, I read this really interesting article about why it could be Prince Charles. It was written by someone called John D. Christian, whose name seems to good not to be a pen name. Anyway, I have the link. Here it is:”

http://www.scribd.com/doc/16387042/The-Green-Prince-and-the-4th-Horse-of-the-Apocalypse#

“But then it seems all the reasons behind Prince Charles boils down to his descendants.”

Stuart said, “Yeah, his pedigree.”

Greg said, “And then I started reading this other site, which made the case that Prince William was an even better choice than Price Charles because his mom had better descendants. It’s all about the Prince Charles’ House of Windsor not having as pure of blood lines as Princess Diana’s House of Stuart. But Diane was a better sacrifice, a holier grail, a purer bloodline, a royaler blue-blood, a nobler noble, a higher highness.”

“Got the idea,” said Stuart.

“Sorry,” said Greg. “Here’s the second link but I haven’t made it through it all yet.”

http://www.grailcode.net/

Greg said, “Well, it appears it all goes back to King Arthur and Merlin. These were supposedly real people who were romanticized over time. It is said the royal bloodline goes back to King Arthur. Of course the cover story is that the bloodline goes back to Cain, the brother of Abel, whom he killed. How this could happen with the flood, who knows. Or worse, blasphemous bloodlines to Jesus Christ.”

“But Arthur was supposedly a ruthless killer. He protected the land he considered his own. He died of a head wound which was not healed by Merlin. You know Revelation 13? The story of the wounded beast and the second beast that healed the wound? It is the story of the lawless one and the false prophet. It is the story of the coming Arthur and Merlin.”

Stuart said, “So aren’t we looking for someone named Arthur?”

Greg said, “Well, that’s an interesting subject. It appears that those descendants of the British royal family that were named Arthur didn’t live very long. So they started giving their princely heirs to the throne other names, but with Arthur as the 2nd or 3rd, or even 4th given name. For example we have Prince Charles having Philip Arthur, and George as his middle names, and Prince William having Arthur Philip Louis as his middle names.”

Greg continued, “Chuck, I respect your opinion. What do you think?”

Chuck said, “I haven’t looked much into the Arthur and Merlin angle. It does seem like they parallel the lawless one and the false prophet to a tee. They sure seem to believe their heritage. Now if I was profiling them, I’d guess that the numerical value of the name “Arthur”, to make the comparison with the lawless one, would need to be divisible by 13. And the name “Merlin” to be the false prophet, would need to appear to be a true prophet. Which means his name would be divisible by 8.”

“You’re reading a lot into these names!” exclaimed Virginia.

“Just profiling,” said Chuck. “Well, Dave, can you pull up your spreadsheet and show us what you find.”

“Sure,” said Dave. “Here we go.”

Start 1 1
Count by 1,10,100 1,10,100
A=1, Z=800 A=1, Z=800
Text Arthur Merlin
Gematria 689 224
Min to Hours 11.4833333 3.73333333
Min Time 11:29 3:44
Clockwise Deg 329 224
Counterclck Deg 31 136
Divisors Divisors Divisors
2 1 8
3 1 1
5 1 1
7 1 7
11 1 1
13 13 1
53 53 1
Quotient 1 4

Evelyn exclaimed, “That’s pretty good!”

Greg said, “Hey, that is pretty good. Got any other insights?”

Chuck said, “Well, you never know. We may even have a match with the numerical values of their first or other middle names.”

“Okay, I’m game,” said Greg. “What are the numerical values of the heirs to the throne of the House of Windsor? If their first name doesn’t, maybe some combination will add up to, let’s see, 689.”

“Let me run them then, said Dave. Here Greg, you know their names, you enter the names into the cells.”

Start 1 1 1 1 1
Count by 1,10,100 1,10,100 1,10,100 1,10,100 1,10,100
A=1, Z=800 A=1, Z=800 A=1, Z=800 A=1, Z=800 A=1, Z=800
Text Charles Philip Arthur George `
Gematria 237 196 689 174 1296
Min to Hours 3.95 3.26666667 11.4833333 2.9 21.6
Min Time 3:57 3:16 11:29 2:54 21:36
Clockwise Deg 237 196 329 174 216
Counterclck Deg 123 164 31 186 144
Divisors Divisors Divisors Divisors Divisors Divisors
2 1 4 1 2 8
3 3 1 1 3 27
5 1 1 1 1 1
7 1 49 1 1 1
11 1 1 1 1 1
13 1 1 13 1 1
29 1 1 1 29 1
53 1 1 53 1 1
Quotient 79 1 1 1 6

“Nope,” said Greg. “Don’t see any way to get the other names to add up to 689. Guess that was a dead end.”

“Not so fast,” said Dave. “Look at the divisors. This spreadsheet only goes up to dividing the starting number three total times by the prime number. We have 8 times 27 or 2 to the third times 3 to the third. But this would also be six times six times six. And then we have that times another six. That’s a lot of sixes.”

“Well,” said Chuck. “I’m not discounting it is possible he’s the fourth horseman, the pale rider, the pale prince.”

Stuart said, “six, six, six, the number of the beast, and then another six. I wonder if that’s intentional. Doesn’t take much wisdom to figure this one out though.”

Dave said, “Greg, how ‘bout trying William?”

Start 1 1 1 1 1
Count by 1,10,100 1,10,100 1,10,100 1,10,100 1,10,100
A=1, Z=800 A=1, Z=800 A=1, Z=800 A=1, Z=800 A=1, Z=800
Text William Arthur Philip Louis `
Gematria 619 689 196 499 2003
Min to Hours 10.3166667 11.4833333 3.26666667 8.31666667 33.3833333
Min Time 10:19 11:29 3:16 8:19 9:23
Clockwise Deg 259 329 196 139 203
Counterclck Deg 101 31 164 221 157
Divisors Divisors Divisors Divisors Divisors Divisors
2 1 1 4 1 1
3 1 1 1 1 1
5 1 1 1 1 1
7 1 1 49 1 1
11 1 1 1 1 1
13 1 13 1 1 1
53 1 53 1 1 1
Quotient 619 1 1 499 2003

“Hate to say it,” said Greg. “But I don’t see anything there. None of the other names add up to 689. And I thought he was the more likely choice. Sorry I wasted your time.”

Chuck said, “Searching for the truth is never a waste of time.”

“Amen!” said Obadiah.

“Well, better go,” said Greg.

“What about doing the same with the third horseman?” asked Chuck.

“Oops,” said Greg. “Wasn’t really focused on him. Let’s go for it.”

Dave entered the first and middle name into the spreadsheet.

Start 1 1 1
Count by 1,10,100 1,10,100 1,10,100
A=1, Z=800 A=1, Z=800 A=1, Z=800
Text Barack Hussein
Gematria 117 572 689
Min to Hours 1.95 9.53333333 11.4833333
Min Time 1:57 9:32 11:29
Clockwise Deg 117 212 329
Counterclck Deg 243 148 31
Divisors Divisors Divisors Divisors
2 1 4 1
3 9 1 1
5 1 1 1
7 1 1 1
11 1 11 1
13 13 13 13
53 1 1 53
Quotient 1 1 1

Everyone’s jaw dropped in unison as the looked at the computer screen. Finally, Greg spoke.

“I’m going to have to think on this for a while. But how is he related to King Arthur?”

“Let’s see,” said Dave. “I’ll search for his genealogy and see what comes up. Here’s one.”

http://genealogy.suite101.com/article.cfm/obama_ancestry_part_of_the_great_melting_pot

“Okay,” said Dave. “Look here. This says he said that his father was a prince and his grandfather a king. And then on his mother’s side he’s related to William I, King of Scots, and to Edward I, King of England.”

“There you go!” said Stuart. “Looks like he’s got a pedigree also.”

“But what about King Arthur?” asked Virginia.

“Wait,” said Dave. “Here’s another very good article.”

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/aug2009/richardw812.htm

Continued Dave, “This says he is directly related to King Arthur the Great of England!”

‘Bingo!” said Chuck.

“Got me!” said Greg. “I’m astounded.”

“Honestly, so am I,” said Chuck. “Although, having God’s Spirit guide us into truth shouldn’t surprise me. Although, I’m glad it does, and He does. For as it is written.”

Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. John 16:13

…………………………….

“Well, thanks for everything, everyone,” said Greg. “But I need to run. I’d love to stay longer. However, I’ve got some errands I need to get done.”

“Thank you.” said everyone, almost in unison.

Stuart said, “I was thinking we have every vowel of the alphabet starting the words, “US elected illegal alien” followed by you-know-who’s last name.”

Obadiah said, “You could rearrange the words to be in alphabetical order. I was thinking like “alien elected illegally US”.

“Cute,” said Dave.

Virginiasaid, “But back to what we were talking about before lunch. You know dates. Everyone is trying to figure out when all this is supposed to happen. You know, what the Bible calls the beginning of sorrows.”

Stuart asked, “Did you say the beginning of soros, S, O, R, O, S?”

“Funny,” said Dave.

“What’s the difference?” asked Obadiah.

“No seriously,” said Virginia. “What happens if September 23, 2015 comes and Jesus Christ does not return?”

“Well,” said Chuck, “that’s the joy of watching! I can see where someone might say it means there is not a gap between the 69thand 70thweek of Daniel. But then if the 69thweek ends on September 23, 2015 and the 70th week starts immediately, then that would be the final week. But then, we’d have to have a repeat of the 70thweek right after the millennium which is also the final week.”

“Okay,” saidVirginia.

“Of course,” continued Chuck, “it could be argued that since the 62 and 7 weeks happened twice, with the first and second coming of the Messiah Jesus Christ, why not the 70th week? But I personally don’t give much stock in this because this would not fulfill Jesus coming at the end of the 62 and 7 weeks. Well, unless the rapture is on September 23, 2015.”

“I don’t want to wait THAT long,” said Virginia.

Chuck said, “Regardless.”

Obadiah said, “And regardless, I thought you did a good job of summing it all up.”

“Thanks,” said Chuck. “although I can’t claim all the credit. I found some of this on Five Doves at, well here’s the link I wrote down if anyone wants it.”

With that, Chuck pointed to the link on one of his sheets of paper while Dave made a hyperlink to it on his laptop.

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2010/tedp28.htm

Chuck continued, “The question I always come back to regarding whether the 70 weeks of Daniel is over, is simple. Is God through dealing with His people and His Holy city? If I know He isn’t, then I know the 70 weeks of Daniel are not over either. Don’t have a choice.”

Chuck continued, “Speaking of the first 42 of the 49 prophetic years, the number 42 has great importance in watching for Jesus Christ.”

“How so?” asked Evelyn.

“I know about that,” said Dave. “In fact, I’ve got the link to an article called, “When is Jesus Returning? The Answer is 42!” on my computer. Let me pull it up.”

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2008/tedp1013.htm

With that, Dave started reading:

When is Jesus Returning? The Answer is 42!

Introduction

In 1978, a science fiction radio series aired on BBC called “The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy”. Created by Douglas Adams, it went on to become a spin-off TV series, comics, various books, and even a movie. One of the repeated themes in the various incarnations of “The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy” is that a "simple answer" is asked of a computer called “Deep Thought” to “the ultimate question”. After “Deep Thought” has spent 7 � million years computing and checking the answer, it spits out the number “42”. Unfortunately, by this time, “the ultimate question” itself has been forgotten.

Fortunately, in real life today, eschatologists, (those who study end-time Bible prophecy), know “the ultimate question”. That question is, “When is Jesus Returning?” And, some of those same eschatologists even know the answer, even if they are at a loss to explain it, which again is the number “42”.

“Interesting,” said Obadiah.

Dave continued, “Yes it is. It goes into a lot more detail. But the point as I see it is 49 minus 42 is 7. We have seven years. And we have seen the lawless one make an agreement with many which encompassed seven days from start to finish to make the agreement and have people vote on it. Get it, with many? It’s a democratic agreement. I can’t think of any other democratic agreement described in the Bible. Usually agreements were made between one king and another king. Where do you have many people actually agreeing on something? Well, you do have Jesus Christ confirming an agreement when He spilled His blood upon the cross which was made with many. To be specific, it was with all who would believe in Him. And that agreement covers a period of 7,000 years. And a day with God is like 1,000 years. So you’ve got your week.”

“Well,” said Evelyn. “I for one have noticed that there are sure a lot of Christians with different ideas as to when the 6,000 years ends and the 7,000thyear begins. I noticed one that has as the starting date for the command to restore and build Jerusalemin 1969 instead of 1967.”

“That would put their date two years behind the 1967 date,” said Stuart. “Wouldn’t it?”

“Well,” said Dave. “Let me see if I can find it by searching for 1969 and restoring Jerusalem. This link looks promising.”

http://www.christconnection.net/id3.html

“Let’s see,” continued Dave. “It states:”

The Knesset vote to "restore and rebuild Jerusalem" came on Passover Eve, 4/1/69.

However the actual COMMAND [dabar, word] to BEGIN the reconstruction, came on May 6, 1969.

“Hey,” said Stuart, “That vote was on April 1st, “Fool’s Day.”

Dave continued. “Well then, let’s see if I can find any other confirmation of this April 1st, “Fool’s Day” event, so to speak. Okay, here’s another search result. Maybe it will provide confirmation.”

http://books.google.com/books?id=ZMABf2jrk6cC&pg=PA177#v=onepage&q=&f=false

“Let’s see, it has:”

Israel’s answer to UN objections to what it was doing came on April 1, 1969, with a vote by the Knesset “to bring the Jewish Quarter to life again and dignify it as a national, religions, and cultural center, stressing its special characteristics and quality.” The act created “The Company for the Reconstruction and Development of the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem.”

“Okay,” said Dave. “Maybe this is worth exploring. So if we had 6 weeks or 42 regular years to April 1, 1969 we come up with April 1, 2011. And if we add instead 42 prophetic years, let’s see, opening up Excel. Okay, we’ve got 4/1/1969. And then adding to that 42 * 360. That gives me 8/24/2010.”

“But,” started Stuart, “they said the actual command was on May 6, 1969.”

“Okay,” said Dave. “That gives me 9/28/2010.”

“We don’t have too long to wait then to see if anything happens on that date,” said Stuart.

“I suppose not,” said Chuck. “But let’s just compare the two before we start jumping on this bandwagon. I don’t see Israelcelebrating May 6, 1969. I do see them celebrating June 7, 1967 every year. We have a confirming of a covenant with many starting with the one exactly 42 prophetic years after June 7, 1967 on October 29, 2008 with a 30 minute infomercial promise seen round the world right before the last of the World Series game. We saw it being confirmed ending with many on the 7th day following with 66,666 thousand plus 216 thousand, to the nearest thousand, voting for the lawless one. We had Astronomical signs foretold in the Bible pointing exactly to October 29, 2008.”

“What?” said Stuart. “I don’t remember any astronomical signs pointing to October 29, 2008.”

“I remember,” said Dave. “Let me search and find the link. Okay, it’s at.”

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2009/kevinh1214.htm

“Let’s take a look then,” said Stuart. “Okay, you got me. Chuck please go on.”

“Okay,” said Chuck. “Where was I? Oh, that’s right. Then if you go back to the Daniel’s 62 weeks before May 6, 1969, do you get another command to rebuild with them rebuilding? I believe you get 2 years into the rebuilding. Dave, can you do the math for us?”

“No problem,” said Dave. “May 6, 1969. I’ll type May 6, 2969 into Excel so I can go backward in time. Subtracting 62 times 7 times 360 days I get, well, that would be, 7/29/1541.”

“And now,” said Chuck, “Can you look up when Suliman rebuilt the walls of Jerusalem?”

“No problem again,” said Dave. “Here we have something.”

http://www.lifeintheholyland.com/jerusalem_old_city_gates.htm

which was built in the walls when they were reconstructed by Suliman, or Soliman, between 1539 and 1542, A. D

“See,” said Chuck. “The year 1541 is two years after Suliman had them start rebuilding the walls. Of course June 7, 1967 takes us back to the year 1539 when rebuilding started.”

“You’re piling up the evidence pretty good,” said Obadiah.

“Thanks,” said Chuck. “But the real clincher to me is the Age of the Gentiles being over when Jerusalemwas no longer trodden down by the Gentiles, you know:”

And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalemshall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. Luke 21:24

“Now,” continued Chuck. “Consider that Jerusalemas of June 7, 1967 for the first time, really before Christ, before even Daniel, was not under the control of Gentiles. It wasn’t under the control of the Babylonians as in the days of Daniel. It wasn’t under the control of the Romans as in the days of Jesus. It wasn’t even under the control of the Arabs who had been in control. It was finally under the control of the Jews. That didn’t happen on May 6, 1969. It happened on June 7, 1967, in my opinion.”

“Okay,” saidVirginia. “I agree.”

“Sorry,” said Chuck. “Where was I? That’s right. The Age of the Gentiles. With it lasting 2000 prophetic years from when Christ entering the world, does May 6, 1969 pass the mustard? Dave, can you do the calculation?”

“Let’s see,” said Dave. “I’ll add 3000 years and put May 6, 4969 into my spreadsheet cell to be able to subtract 2000 years later. Then in this cell I’m subtracting 2000 * 360 days. That gives me January 19, 2998. I need to converting that to BC. So, 2998 minus 3000 is minus 2. But since there is no zero year, that converts to Three BC. And that would be January in either the Gregorian or Julian.

“Thanks,” said Chuck. “And since it has been fairly well established that Herod the Great died in late March of 4 BC, or at the latest, early April, Herod would have died before Christ entered the world. That’s regardless of whether you want to say Christ entered the world at birth instead of conception.”

Stuart said, “Chuck, you should start a Christian mythbusting service.”

“Thanks,” said Chuck. “But just to confirm what I said about Herod the Great, Dave if you don’t mind looking him up on wikipedia.org?”

Dave said, “Here we go. Let me read it.”

Since the work of Emil Sch�rer in 1896[16]scholars have generally concluded that Herod died at the end of March or early April in 4 BC.[5][17]

Further evidence is provided by the fact that his sons, between whom his kingdom was divided, dated their rule from 4 BC.[18], and Archilaus apparently also exercised royal authority during Herod's lifetime.[19]Josephus states that Philip the Tetrarch's death took placeafter a 37-year reign, in the 20th year of Tiberius(34 AD).[20]

Chuck said, “Thanks Dave. And if you notice, if you back up 2 years from 3 BC, you come to 5 BC. And 5 BC fits. Especially when soon after Herod the Great would have killed many male babies, 2 years and younger, justice would have been meted out by God, with Herod’s own death.”

“Well, we put that one to bed,” said Obadiah.

“I’m still a little confused about something,” said Virginia, “I may have already asked this, or someone else, I don’t remember, but when someone says they are pre-trib or mid-trib, exactly how long is their tribulation? I mean, is it 10 days long, 45 days, 75, 1040, 1260, 2300, 2520 days, 10 years, 10 � years, 1260 years or maybe even 2520 years? There’s a lot of choices.”

Dave said, “Well, I realize you all probably already know, which may be the basis of the question, but the only mention in the Bible of a time period in the same verse with the word tribulation, has the time period of 10 days. Here, let me look it up and read it.

Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. Revelation 2:10

Virginiaasked, “So, this leaves me without an answer.”

Chuck said, “My point is not that I have all the answers. My point is to challenge your beliefs to consider whether they are Biblical or whether they are just part of what you were taught. Tradition.”

“That’s the two choices?” asked Virginia.

“That’s the two choices,” said Chuck. “Some things are straight forward. If someone tells you that the tribulation is 7 years long and at the end is Armageddon, then I would challenge you not to just accept this but look up in the Bible when it mentions the battle of Armageddon, which is on the fields of Megiddo. Because you will find it after the millennium.”

“If your end times beliefs are not from the Bible, they are part of tradition and could be the promised apostasy. And many will be led astray. Everyone needs to make sure they are prayed up and powered up. I like to view it as experiencing both the Word of God and the Spirit of God. There’s a great post that discusses just that if you’re interested. Here’s the link.”

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/march2010/tedp311.htm

Evelyn and Stuart wrote down the link.

Chuck continued, “Let’s say you have bought into this whole prosperity doctrine that nothing bad will come your way. You will suffer no tribulation. You make no distinction between suffering tribulation in the world and suffering God’s wrath. Well, the parable tells us, okay, let me just read it.”

But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulationor persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended. Matthew 13:20-21

“How many people have received the good news of Jesus Christ and endure for a while. But then when they suffer tribulation they get offended, they blame God, and they turn from the faith. The bottom line is some preachers teach that we will not suffer any tribulation. Tell that to the Christians who Nero killed in the coliseum. Tell that to the Christians that the Roman Church murdered throughout the middle ages. Tell that to everyone listed in Foxe’s Book of Martyrs. And reconcile that to the fact that the Bible promises us the exact opposite. That’s right, in this world we are promised tribulation. Here is the verse. Circle it. Memorize it. There is a song where it has been put to music.”

These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world. John 16:33

“Amen!” exclaimed Obadiah.

“Amen,” said Chuck.

� 4/2/2010 – Ted Porter