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2 lemontwist

Edited: Nov 1, 2011, 4:18 pm

If an author wrote a foreward to a book that has more copies than any of the books they legitimately wrote, the author page will say "Joe Schmoe author of Book They Wrote a Foreward To."

Example: http://www.librarything.com/author/sherrlynn who only wrote the foreward to Mercury 13. I think it's misleading to say she is the author!!

3 jbd1

Nov 1, 2011, 4:20 pm

Ah - right, secondary author status shouldn't count toward that line, I think - right Tim?

This may be cruft from older versions of the code, but I've noticed it on a few books. Take a look at where the hand cursor is in this screenshot (sorry for the size, but much smaller would probably be unreadable):

It appears there is a hidden "X", because if you click there, you get the "Reject?" question popup. I THINK this only appears on "primary author" type of authors, but that could be wrong.

ETA: Link to the work: http://www.librarything.com/work/11464686

5 prosfilaes

Nov 1, 2011, 5:21 pm

It's unclear what to do when the primary author is bad and the real main author is listed below. In the case of In Nomine Game Master's Screen, it was easy to end up with Derek Pearcy listed twice.

6 timspalding

Nov 1, 2011, 5:33 pm

>5 prosfilaes:

You can't currently promote main and secondary authors to "primary" status. But you can change the primary and then make the rest fit. Who's the real primary?

7 prosfilaes

Nov 1, 2011, 5:47 pm

I was working on the Koboldnomicon (I've got an author page! Woo-hoo!). I entered the main authors from my list, but discovered I hadn't entered them all. So I turned to the book and discovered I'd mistyped Fields, Chris for Field, Chris. I fixed it in my edition, and deleted Fields, Chris as a confirmed editor. After reloading several times and using Recalculate from members' books several times, Fields, Chris is still an option and Field, Chris is not.

8 prosfilaes

Nov 1, 2011, 5:48 pm

#6: Okay. It seems clunky and confusing, but I'll deconfirm Derek Pearcy as a main author.

9 jbd1

Nov 1, 2011, 5:51 pm

>7 prosfilaes: - my guess is that it might not pick up immediately. Tim?

10 lilithcat

Nov 1, 2011, 5:54 pm

> 6

Thank goodness. It's been driving me batty to have a translator of an anonymously authored work listed as the primary author.

11 timspalding

Nov 1, 2011, 6:14 pm

>7 prosfilaes:

Yes, probably. Just enter it using the "add" option.

12 brightcopy

Nov 1, 2011, 6:26 pm

So what IS the deal with entries like these:

http://www.librarything.com/work/4415925

Karen A. Coombs — primary author all editions confirmed
Griffey, Jason — main author all editions confirmed

Note the Firstname Lastname and Lastname, Firstname discrepancy. It's confirmed, so I assume that means somehow the UI let them enter it that way. Is it an ongoing problem that they can still get reversed like this?

I know you know about this one, Tim, cause you twote it.

13 prosfilaes

Nov 1, 2011, 6:55 pm

You can get into the edit other authors page, and even start making changes, without being logged in. It seems to redirect you to the log in page instead of actually making changes, though.

14 eromsted

Nov 1, 2011, 7:33 pm

After selecting other in the roles field I don't get a box to enter the role.

15 Noisy

Nov 1, 2011, 8:15 pm

>5 prosfilaes:, 6

I need to delete the primary author, because they should only be a main author. How do I go about doing that?

16 rsterling

Nov 1, 2011, 8:29 pm

I came here to report the same issue as post 2: if a book where the author is a secondary author has more copies than the ones where the author is primary, it's showing up under the author's name at the top.

Here's another example:
http://www.librarything.com/author/arendthannah

17 prosfilaes

Nov 1, 2011, 8:52 pm

#15: I don't think you can; there has to be a primary author. You can change the primary author to be the guy whose currently only a main author.

18 timspalding

Nov 1, 2011, 9:53 pm

So what IS the deal with entries like these:

http://www.librarything.com/work/4415925

Karen A. Coombs — primary author all editions confirmed Griffey, Jason — main author all editions confirmed

Yeah, I know. The problem is real. Basically, the work-level author is currently stored in a format that easily produces the first-last version.

I'll have to think on it. Could involve some big changes.

You can get into the edit other authors page, and even start making changes, without being logged in. It seems to redirect you to the log in page instead of actually making changes, though.

Fixed.

After selecting other in the roles field I don't get a box to enter the role.

Will look into.

I'm not seeing what you're seeing. Be more specific?

19 prosfilaes

Nov 1, 2011, 10:18 pm

#18: http://www.librarything.com/author/arendthannah is Hannah Arendt's author page. She's the author of Eichmann in Jerusalem, and that's what previously would have shown up at the top of her page, under "Hannah Arendt (1906–1975)". Now it's saying "Author of Illuminations", even though she just edited one edition of Illuminations by Walter Benjamin.

20 timspalding

Nov 1, 2011, 10:21 pm

Ah. Sorry. I thought you meant the sorting of the items below it. Yes, that's a problem. Looking into.

21 eromsted

Nov 1, 2011, 10:48 pm

The "Other authors: See the other authors section." line appears on the Book details page but the link doesn't do anything.

22 prosfilaes

Nov 1, 2011, 10:49 pm

Secondary authors seem to be used a lot of places where they shouldn't. Francis B. Gummere was a translator of Beowulf, so now his page lists 11,569 members and that I have a work by him, neither of which are true.

23 timspalding

Nov 1, 2011, 11:22 pm

The "Other authors: See the other authors section." line appears on the Book details page but the link doesn't do anything.

It does for me. It takes you down the page. Not for you?

24 eromsted

Nov 1, 2011, 11:27 pm

>23 timspalding:
It's fine on the main work page. But the Book details page doesn't have that section so there's nothing to jump down to. The other sub-pages listed in the left column have the same problem.

26 timspalding

Nov 1, 2011, 11:55 pm

Ah. I see. Good point. Considering.

27 timspalding

Nov 2, 2011, 12:07 am

>25 Shortride:

That's intentional. In short contexts it shows only the primary author.

29 timspalding

Nov 2, 2011, 12:31 am

No. This is pretty standard stuff. When you're on Superfreakonomics on Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/SuperFreakonomics-Cooling-Patriotic-Prostitutes-Insurance/dp/0060889586/ref=pd\_sim\_b\_1) and it recommends Freakonomics it says "Freakonomics: A Rogue Economist Explores the... by Steven D. Levitt." That is, it shows the primary author, not all main authors. Books can have quite a few primary authors, and when the point is to mention a book quickly, it's best to do that, not waste everyone's time and space by listing all the others.

30 prosfilaes

Nov 2, 2011, 12:43 am

27> Does the list at the bottom show the main authors? It should; I can't tell with the Left Behind series if it does, because it says "Series authors (2)" and then shows only one picture.

31 brightcopy

Nov 2, 2011, 12:48 am

I don't really think having the two co-authors of a book on an LT Series page "wastes everyone's time and space". I also don't think an LT Series page is in any way analogous to an Amazon recommendation list. Which, I might note, shows book covers next to the name of each book , something LT doesn't do in the same way. They also abbreviate the title after 44 characters to "...". Again, something LT doesn't do on the Series page. They show only six books in that strip. LT potentially shows hundreds. And talking about "books can have quite a few primary authors" is a bit out there, since you and I both know that's an edge case and basing your logic around edge cases is a poor defense against the general case.

It's not even like you're comparing apples and oranges. It's more like apples and poodles.

And since when do you base things on Amazon, anyway? Amazon is a site designed to drive book sales. LT is a site about the richness of book cataloging. I can just as easily see you arguing the flip side of this. Actually, much more easily. I'd say think about it for a while and see if it makes any more sense to you later.

33 justjim

Nov 2, 2011, 1:08 am

Mmmm. Smarties.

34 timspalding

Nov 2, 2011, 1:26 am

This conversation is getting Twitter intertextual.

37 aulsmith

Nov 2, 2011, 8:41 am

There is an "other authors" line in Book Information. I think it is supposed to display the other author information from my record (but maybe it's a link to the information below?) Anyway, mine is currently displaying a row of commas for one of my entries with lots of contributors and it doesn't link to anything else. (link)

38 jbd1

Nov 2, 2011, 8:58 am

Bug: when a secondary author requests LT Author status, the request comes through as being from the primary author's authorcode.

39 SylviaC

Nov 2, 2011, 9:14 am

Same bug as aulsmith reported, "Other authors" in the book information box on work pages just shows commas.

40 Noisy

Nov 2, 2011, 9:46 am

I've added seven other author roles to my copy of The Incal. When I go in to edit the other authors, I don't see the ones I added, and they aren't retrieved by the deep dive button.

42 jbd1

Nov 2, 2011, 10:15 am

>41 brightcopy: - Yah. It's fixed on our end, but Tim hasn't pushed the change yet. Stay tuned :-)

45 brightcopy

Nov 2, 2011, 11:50 am

#44 by @timspalding> Sounds good, but - wrong thread? I'll reserve more comments in case you want to move it.

46 lemontwist

Nov 2, 2011, 1:35 pm

Not sure if this is a bug or I'm doing something wrong. I wanted to change the primary author on this book: http://www.librarything.com/work/6850057/book/75701842 used to be Howard Zinn but should be Maxine Kline. So I changed it. Now Howard Zinn shows up twice in the author, if you click on Maxine Kline it sends you to a weird Howard Zinn author page, etc......

47 rsterling

Nov 2, 2011, 1:41 pm

When you change a primary author in the light box, after you go through the process of selecting the name and role, it takes you back to the edit other authors lightbox, but doesn't show the primary author change. It also doesn't change on the top of the author page when you close the box; you have to refresh the page.

The bug is that it is changing the primary author, but it isn't showing that it's changed unless you close and re-open the lightbox and/or refresh the author page.

48 eromsted

Nov 2, 2011, 1:50 pm

>46 lemontwist:,47
No. Everything in the other authors box is now correct (except I would leave the roles blank when all are 'author') but the top of the page is displaying incorrectly, even on refresh.

I note that Maxine Kline was not previously in the system as an author. Perhaps that caused some kind of problem.

49 timspalding

Nov 2, 2011, 1:58 pm

I think I've fixed the problem of primary authors not updating. (They did SOMETIMES, but not always. It was database lag.)

50 rsterling

Nov 2, 2011, 2:00 pm

48 - I wasn't responding to lemontwist's bug, but rather reporting my own.

When I'm seeing this it's correcting on refresh. I'm not sure if lemontwist's bug is the same or different.

51 rsterling

Edited: Nov 2, 2011, 2:05 pm

Possible bug: after changing primary authors for several works where the last-name-only was previously winning out, I'm still seeing the works on the last-name-only author page.

http://www.librarything.com/author/nixon

Previously that Nixon author page was split. What I did was to change all the primary authors on the works, assuming that that would move them to the right page, and then I undid the split--apparently prematurely, since the works are still showing up on the Nixon page.

The works are showing up on the changed primary author page (the name I added), so at least that part is working right.

ETA - actually, it gets even stranger, since one of the works did disappear from the "works by" section of the page, yet still gets top billing as the work listed beside "author of" at the top of the page.

52 timspalding

Edited: Nov 2, 2011, 2:05 pm

nixon

What would you say to a conversation about this—started in "Combiners!" Should we use this to avoid splitting, and if so, when? I'm wary of undoing all the work here.

To the bug, I'm looking into it.

53 rsterling

Nov 2, 2011, 2:07 pm

Yeah, I started on a small case, so I could see how it would work to change primary authors instead of splitting. This one would be easy enough to fix back.

However, from a coding point of view, should the works be disappearing from the Nixon page when the primary author is changed?

54 timspalding

Edited: Nov 2, 2011, 2:12 pm

>51 rsterling:

Bug fixed, I believe, and all author-to-work lists expired from cache.

Update: And again.

However, from a coding point of view, should the works be disappearing from the Nixon page when the primary author is changed?

Yes, they should. I was expiring the "to" author, but not the "from."

55 timspalding

Nov 2, 2011, 2:35 pm

When I'm seeing this it's correcting on refresh. I'm not sure if lemontwist's bug is the same or different.

Are you seeing the problem within the little "other authors" section, or are you talking about the very top of the page. That's not refreshing immediately.

56 lilithcat

Nov 2, 2011, 2:45 pm

I have started to get the "trained monkey" error message when trying to confirm or edit "other authors".

57 DaynaRT

Edited: Nov 2, 2011, 2:49 pm

I'm getting the trained monkey error too.

eta: Confirming works fine, error happens when trying to edit roles.

59 DaynaRT

Nov 2, 2011, 2:53 pm

Yup. He's no longer flinging poo.

61 eromsted

Nov 2, 2011, 2:58 pm

Bump on the "can't add other roles" bug.

Not only is it not possible to add new other roles on the work page dialog, but it's impossible to maintain current other roles if something else needs to be edited (for instance changing from 'some editions' to 'all editions').

Very annoying.

62 Crypto-Willobie

Nov 2, 2011, 3:03 pm

I got a fatal error on this title http://www.librarything.com/work/273258 (A Fair Quarrel)
when trying to confrim William Rowley as (other) Main Author for All Editions. (Thomas Middleton is Primary Author). Not only was I unable to confirm Rowley but now the entire workpage shows a red fatal error message.

64 Crypto-Willobie

Edited: Nov 2, 2011, 3:11 pm

> 62 Update: I reloaded the Fair Quarrell main page and it now longer shows Fatal Aire for the entire work, but Rowley still won't confirm as other Main Author. I tried it twice, thinking I had done it wrong the first time, still errored. Same steps have worked fine for me on other titles.

eta: I'll try again.

eata: Beautiful, thanks.

65 Noisy

Nov 2, 2011, 6:28 pm

Bumping my message at 40:

"I've added seven other author roles to my copy of The Incal. When I go in to edit the other authors, I don't see the ones I added, and they aren't retrieved by the deep dive button."

66 leahbird

Edited: Nov 2, 2011, 10:07 pm

most importantly, for me, is the problem i've had from the beginning of beta testing: new authors that weren't previously in the system and are added to works STILL do not show up in a search and, when their name is clicked from the work page, the page that shows up shows the previous primary authors name and only the work you came from. this is HIGHLY frustrating. i've been keeping a list of authors i've entered that behave this way, which i will post here.

67 leahbird

Nov 3, 2011, 12:08 am

#46 by @lemontwist> this is almost the same as my problem. good to know it's happening to others (but sorry you're having problems).

68 prosfilaes

Nov 3, 2011, 3:38 am

Authors aren't sticking. All day, the author of Beowulf was anonymous, and it didn't apparently change when I was combining works with it, but now it's back to Seamus Heaney, even though the Other Authors box clearly lists Anonymous as the primary author.

69 _Zoe_

Nov 3, 2011, 9:09 am

The Book Information box doesn't stay moved; it reverts to its original position.

70 Nerilka

Nov 3, 2011, 10:52 am

>68 prosfilaes: Replied on the other thread too - but probably more appropriate to bugs:

If you set the Primary Author in Other authors, the work page shows the author as Anonymous. However, when someone clicks recalculate title/author it reverts to Seamus Heaney. So you can reset the primary author back to Anon....

Could become a permanent loop fixing it as the results of neither function seems to be deemed authoritative.

71 timspalding

Nov 3, 2011, 11:01 am

>70 Nerilka:

Thanks you. I thought that might happen. I'll take a look.

72 2wonderY

Nov 3, 2011, 11:16 am

Ah! The man who can nail that sucker down!

73 timspalding

Nov 3, 2011, 11:39 pm

Beowulf thing is now okay. Recalculate works.

74 timspalding

Nov 4, 2011, 1:40 am

Okay. It's no longer counting "Also by" authors in that section.

We've got to figure out what else is affected. For user membership counts, for tags, for ratings, etc. should it count only works you are main for?

75 prosfilaes

Nov 4, 2011, 2:32 am

#74: I would say it should be based on all editions. If an author did a little work on some edition of Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, or Beowulf, it swamps everything else out, even if nobody bought a copy of their edition. Whereas if you wrote an introduction for all copies of work, at least you really are connected to all the editions that are being counted. On the other hand, I can see the argument that a secondary author on all editions really shouldn't have it counted for membership counts, tags, etc.

76 Shortride

Nov 4, 2011, 2:15 pm

I added the Charles W. Morton as the second author to Dahl's Boston, but the copies of Dahl's Boston that have Dahl as a primary author aren't showing up on the combine page for Morton.

77 snurp

Nov 4, 2011, 7:38 pm

Not sure if this is a bug, but if the primary author is also listed as a secondary author for some editions of the same work (e.g., Narrator for the audio book), the works no longer appear under "Works by ..." but under "Also by ...". They seem to also vanish from the combine page for the author.

See e.g. Stardust and Coraline for Neil Gaiman.

78 snurp

Nov 4, 2011, 7:53 pm

Maybe I'm missing something, but there seems to be no way to assign a "secondary work" to a split author, since the work won't appear on the disambiguation page, nor on the split author page.

See e.g. Realms of Valor for Elaine Cunningham (she is a contributor to that anthology).

79 Crypto-Willobie

Nov 5, 2011, 9:53 am

I think this may the same as the bug mentioned at post 40, but here's another example in case it's useful.

The primary author on The Roaring Girl http://www.librarything.com/work/244910/book/36699137 is Thomas Middleton (1). If you look at the work page it also shows Thomas Dekker (1) as another Author (he is entered as a Main Author for All Editions). But if you follow the link to Dekker's page (or just go there) this work does not appear. (Don't confuse it with the collection The Roaring Girl and other City Comedies which does show there; the one I mean should be listed second on Dekker's page with 86 copies.) If needed I can supply some other examples of this phenom for Main Authors I added yesterday.

I waited to see if this would update overnight but it didn't. Am I missing something or doing something wrong? Odd thing, I THINK I did some of these Main Author additions day before yesterday and they did work, though I may be misremembering.

80 rsterling

Edited: Nov 5, 2011, 1:30 pm

As reported above, I'm also seeing that author pages that are split (disambiguation pages) aren't showing any "also by" information: they're only showing works where the authors are listed as primary.

ETA - Generally, it looks like this new feature broke a few parts of author splitting/disambiguation & aliasing. See post 78 above on works missing from disambiguation pages, and post 35 on aliasing not working (works not showing up on both pages any more).

81 rsterling

Nov 5, 2011, 6:49 pm

53-4>
Me: However, from a coding point of view, should the works be disappearing from the Nixon page when the primary author is changed?

Tim: Yes, they should. I was expiring the "to" author, but not the "from."

I'm still not seeing these expiring from the "from" author, when I change the primary author. Is there a lag?

Another bug I'm seeing is related to the one atlargeintheworld mentions above (post 66), though not exactly the same. If I change the primary author to one that's not already in the system, it does something funny. It creates a work page with a URL that matches the new primary author name, but the name at the top of the page is the former primary author.

Here's an example. I changed the primary author for a work from "Cross" to "Cross, Edwin N." This created this author page:
www.librarything.com/author/crossedwinn
But at the top of that author page, it says "Cross" rather than "Edwin N. Cross".

82 yoyogod

Nov 5, 2011, 10:54 pm

I'm not entirely certain that it's because of this, but the book Clickers no longer shows up on the page of coauthor Mark Williams. It was under williamsmark-5 when this rolled out in beta, but now it sees to have disappeared.

83 rsterling

Nov 5, 2011, 11:24 pm

82: Yeah, it's messed up aliasing: works are no longer showing on both alias pages. If you set the author using this new feature it should show up.

Another bug. I think there's a delay in things showing up on combination pages after the author is changed/set. Also, when there's an author page created through changing one of these works, the author page doesn't work for author combining. It still treats it like an empty no-work page.

85 Crypto-Willobie

Nov 6, 2011, 8:18 am

> 84 The problem is that the other authors have not been confirmed yet. Go to this work's Main Page and scroll down until you see the link that says Add/Edit Other Authors. You'll see there that the 3 other authors have not yet been confirmed. Click on the pencil icon to the right of each author to adjust his/her details and then save to confirm. It appears that each should be called a Main Author, classified as a Contributor in the pull-down, and confirmed for All Editions (not for each appearance of one of these stories everywhere, but for each edition of this unique Work comprising these specific four stories).

86 mene

Nov 6, 2011, 10:16 am

> 85: Thank you! I was wondering why my other authors didn't appear. Now I can go fix it :D

89 leahbird

Nov 7, 2011, 3:35 pm

Tim, can I get some feedback re my post at #66. I really just want to know if this is something only I am seeing cause it's weird and frustrating and I haven't gotten a response about it since Beta testing.

90 prosfilaes

Nov 8, 2011, 4:51 pm

I know this may relate to a bug you think you fixed, but I created a bunch of authors for Night Voices, Night Journeys, and those without pre-existing works are showing up as Ken Asamatsu for the name.

92 Crypto-Willobie

Edited: Nov 12, 2011, 11:55 pm

New Bug? at least I don't think I've seen this one mentioned...

Look at the Other Authors edit field for this book: http://www.librarything.com/work/2076340
You'll see the second Editor (MacDonald) entered three times -- but I didn't add those two extras. Or rather I did, but they appeared when I twice tried to enter the Editor role to replace the "--" for the primary Editor (Inge). I've left the duplicates as they are in case that gives a clue to what's happening.

This is the second time this has happened to me, although I didn't record the first instance, just left the Primary' role blank and moved on...

93 SylviaC

Nov 12, 2011, 11:11 pm

>92 Crypto-Willobie:
That happened to me a couple of times, too. After closing the lightbox and reopening it, I was able to fill in the primary author's role. I have no idea why it happened those few times out of all the ones I've done.

94 Crypto-Willobie

Edited: Nov 12, 2011, 11:53 pm

Thanks SylviaC, that work-around worked. I was able to go back and add Editor to the Primary.

Still, this is a bug, though not a major one. When you are adding and fixing various Other Authors, if you then as part of the same process try to add a role to the blank Primary author, it instead adds a duplicate entry for the Main Author just below. You can avoid the dupes and correctly add the Primary Role by closing the window and then going back in, but you ought to be able to just do it as part of the regular editing process.

95 Crypto-Willobie

Nov 13, 2011, 9:53 am

Apparently the bug described in 40 and 79 has been fixed: Other Authors are now appearing on disambiguation pages, ripe for assignment to 1 or 2 or 3 etc...
Thanks!

96 andyl

Nov 13, 2011, 10:09 am

#93

Yep - that happened once for me as well. I couldn't recreate it so it is obviously an odd one.

97 eromsted

Nov 13, 2011, 10:19 am

>93 SylviaC:,96
I've found that if I first confirm some other author and then try to change the role of the primary author, the role change doesn't stick. I then have to close the lightbox, reopen and go directly to changing the primary author role.

99 rsterling

Nov 13, 2011, 7:38 pm

98 - That page can also be seen here:
http://www.librarything.com/work/8953481/summary/50764335

There are several things wrong there. The top should be showing you the authors listed on your own copy. Right now, it's showing a mix of book-level and work-level stuff: the first instance of by Nicholas Wright is from your copy, while the second instance is because he's listed as the second author on the work.

There's also an error in the display of the work details at the bottom of the Book Information box. It's not showing all authors there as it should. Where it says:
Work details
His Dark Materials - The Play by Philip Pullman

It should say:
Work details
His Dark Materials - The Play by Philip Pullman, Nicholas Wright (author)

100 MarthaJeanne

Edited: Nov 15, 2011, 10:02 am

I found that one of my books had major problems. I deleted a bad Canonical title. Then I was able to combine it with the larger work, but that had a bad author name on it. Silitchm, Clarissa M. for Silitch, Clarissa M. I combined the names, asked Amazon to fix their data. Then I tried to fix the other author information.

First I fixed the primary author. That went OK. However I then wanted to correct and confirm the second author (all editions). When I clicked on it it switched to the primary author. I finally deleted it, and added the second author back in.

However I have the authors entered in the other order in my catalogue, and now my book page says by Cherry Pyron (Editor), Cherry Pyron (Editor) at the top. Seeing as my order agrees with both LoC and World Cat, I don't really see any reason to change my data, but this is a mess.

http://www.librarything.com/work/6595428/summary/41833837

101 Mareofthesea

Nov 15, 2011, 10:10 am

100: What happens when you hit recalculate? I've found that it sometimes helps in these situations?

102 fdholt

Nov 15, 2011, 10:34 am

#100 Since WorldCat lists Pryon first, I think that switching the primary author to Pryon and other author to Silitch would be appropriate.

This is the statement of responsibility from WorldCat: prepared by the staff of Yankee, ; Cherry Pyron and Clarissa M. Silitch, editors.

103 MarthaJeanne

Edited: Nov 15, 2011, 2:53 pm

I don't think it makes a lot of difference. Either way some of us are going to have a wierd look for our authors. For what it's worth, my copy of the book (1st edition, 2nd printing) has at the top of the copyright page:

Illustrated by Margo Litourneau
Designed by Carl F. Kirkpatrick
Cherry Pyron and Clarissa M. Silitch, Editors

104 Shortride

Nov 16, 2011, 12:08 am

For The Best American Short Stories 2011, clicking Richard Powers takes you to the disambiguation page, not the assigned page.

106 sm5por

Edited: Nov 20, 2011, 8:12 am

When a new secondary author (here Lasse Lindberg) has no previous history as a primary author on LT, his contribution (to Tunnelbanan i Stockholm in this case) is stated under the heading "Works by Lasse Lindberg" as follows:

Tunnelbanan i Stockholm (also Illustrator) 1 copy

I don't see the rationale behind "also" above; Lindberg is merely the illustrator of this

~~book~~

work and nothing else. The wording suggests he wrote the text as well, which isn't the case.

In contrast, the author page of Ingegerd Lindström shows one

~~book~~

work she wrote under "Works by Ingegerd Lindström" and one she translated under "Also by Ingegerd Lindström", the latter properly attributing her as "Translator, some editions".

It doesn't matter to me what the heading says, but the role probably shouldn't have an "also" unless the same person has filled multiple roles for the same

~~book~~

work.

Edit: Adjusted my comment to adhere to LT terminology.

107 jbd1

Nov 18, 2011, 4:39 pm

>106 sm5por: - Yeah I really don't know where that "also" came from. It shouldn't be there in cases like that. Tim?

109 sm5por

Nov 20, 2011, 7:55 am

> 108 - It's the right thread and I think it has been mentioned before, but I haven't read all the postings through and I don't know whether a solution is in the works. In any case, I noticed that when I chop off the book-specific part of the URL, I get

http://www.librarything.com/work/683169

which seems like a "main page" for the work, and there Nachum Dershowitz and Edward M. Reingold both appear as authors. So, the error appearantly affects only the book-specific pages (or some of them). I'll stop trying to analyze the behaviour here, as I know next to nothing about LT internals beyond what is appearant from its user interface.

110 rsterling

Nov 20, 2011, 12:53 pm

Yes, there are still display problems at the top of work pages, where it's mixing up author information from one's own edition and from the work info.

111 rsterling

Nov 20, 2011, 12:55 pm

Another bug is reported here, but the terminology there is confusing:
http://www.librarything.com/topic/127148

Basically, if the author is not listed as primary, the book is not available on the disambiguation page. That means that if you have two different authors with the same name -- say, one who's a writer and one who's an illustrator -- there's no way to split the author page to reflect that, if the illustrator is not a primary author of some book.

113 jbd1

Nov 22, 2011, 3:54 pm

The free text "other" option now should be working. Tim's working through other bugs on this thread. I think the only other one I reported and is still broken is in #35, but there are others reported that need working on as well.

114 timspalding

Nov 22, 2011, 4:10 pm

I'm shutting down this page as a source of bugs for me to check. Too many have been fixed for me to keep track of what hasn't. I'll be watching for individual bug-collector bugs, which can, of course, reference here. Sorry to post this, but I'm just at sea.

115 Crypto-Willobie

Nov 22, 2011, 4:26 pm

Using Bug Collectors group sound fine. I'll repost 112 there, shall I? I just checked and the Paul Spencer bug is the same as it was.

Thanks so much for free-texting the Other. Actually it's not working for me yet, as I'm at work, on IE6 with popup firewalls out the wazoo. I'll try it at home on Firefox...

116 timspalding

Nov 22, 2011, 4:32 pm

Just link to it. I'll try to figure it out.

I am working on the author-work-splits not showing other author stuff. (Man, I'm just stringing words together.)

117 leahbird

Edited: Nov 22, 2011, 9:46 pm

i would just like to know that you've acknowledged/noticed the HUGE problem of new authors showing a completely fake author page that actually has the primary author's name and almost no other information. i don't care if it's fixed yet, i just haven't gotten a single response to the numerous reports i've made and i'm fearing that it's been completely overlooked.

for more details see #66 above.

eta: i know you are working very hard and i'm not trying to be difficult. i've just been trying to get some feedback on this since the first day of beta testing and no one has made any comment.

118 jbd1

Nov 22, 2011, 9:48 pm

>117 leahbird:. These examples should now be fixed. Let me know if you're seeing otherwise.

120 leahbird

Nov 22, 2011, 9:53 pm

#118 by @jbd1> thanks so much JBD. now i feel like a whiny brat. just to clarify, should the problem causing the issue be fixed or just those that have been caught already? should possible future occurrences be seen as a bug that needs to be reported or something that will work itself out?