Draft JEP: Launch Single-File Source-Code Programs (original) (raw)
Jaikiran Pai jai.forums2013 at gmail.com
Tue Feb 13 04:19:32 UTC 2018
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Hi Jonathan,
The motivation behind this feature, as noted in the motivation section, IMO is good - to allow developers getting started with Java to be able to try out small utility programs without having to go through multiple different tools/commands.
As such, the first part of the JEP which states that the java tool would be enhanced to support this feature sounds reasonable. However, the additional change/enhancement to support shebang files, IMO, just adds more complexities to support, what I think, is a non-existent requirement. Complexities/questions like:
Given that the feature is mostly targeted towards new users, what purpose would a shebang serve for such users, if they are on a Windows OS. Not starting a OS war, but it still is the most used OS for development, which effectively would mean that not many will use this shebang feature, IMO.
What happens when the user moves one step forward in learning Java and now wants to use this existing class (which has a shebang) along with some other newer class(es) and wants to compile and build the application? How would other tools like (javac) react to it? Would those tools too now understand the shebang mechanism?
I'm not an expert on compilers, but AFAIK, Eclipse IDE uses its own compiler. Would that mean that these external compilers too will have to now understand and support the shebang support?
Personally, except for the proposal to support shebang, the JEP looks good.
-Jaikiran
On 12/02/18 7:52 PM, Roger Riggs wrote:
Hi Jonathan,
It would be a great convenience to developers to NOT to have two types of java source files. Those that can be run directly and those that cannot. According to the JLS, the former can not be called java source files, they are something else. $.02, Roger
On 2/10/2018 11:59 AM, Jonathan Gibbons wrote: Volker, I don't see a compelling need to change the JLS to accommodate "shebang" files. Most Java source files don't need the
#!line, including any source file passed to an explicit invocation of the Java launcher. The line is only needed when the file is set up to be directly executed by the "shebang" mechanism, in which case the line can be thought of as a "wrapper" supported by the host system to enable such use. If the feature is sufficiently popular, it may even be that editors will recognize and support the use of such lines, in the same way that some editors recognize and support the manipulation of javadoc comments, which are also not defined in the JLS (beyond the basic definition of a comment in JLS 3.7). -- JonOn 2/9/18 2:51 AM, Volker Simonis wrote: Hi Jonathan, that's an interesting proposal. It is just unfortunate that a Java source file starting with "shebang" won't be a legal Java file according to the Java Language Specification. Or do you plan to change the JLS to allow (and ignore) "shebang" in the first line? Thanks, Volker On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 12:18 AM, Jonathan Gibbons <jonathan.gibbons at oracle.com> wrote: This draft JEP contains a proposal to enhance the java launcher to support running a program supplied as a single file of Java source code. The program will be compiled and run, without the need to explicit invoke javac, or to package up a jar file.
For more details, see: http://openjdk.java.net/jeps/8192920 -- Jon
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