Deployment (original) (raw)

Jeff McDonald deep.blue.6802 at gmail.com
Sun Feb 12 21:46:14 PST 2012

Deployment is so important that I'd hope that it is at the top of the list. For me, I've always wanted to be able to push out a single double clickable app. No Java installs necessary. No Java version worries. As a developer I want full control of handling the versioning dependencies in my apps (co-bundling the JRE and all other libs and resources). I like it in part because I can take responsibility for what I ship. Most people prefer double clickable apps that require a one step install.

Richard has talked about possibly adding a built in updater framework (like Sparkle <http://sparkle.andymatuschak.org/>) in JavaFX before. That would be the ultimate combo with the double clickable app. This one should be up there in priority with double clickable apps.

Daniel has discussed other requirements for deployment in previous postings. Maybe this thread can be a good place to pull those ideas together.

Daniel Zwolenski <zonski at googlemail.com> wrote: The absolute fundamental issue that affects all platforms and for me is of such critical importance (it is the weakness that hamstrung Swing), is the whole deployment issue. This needs to be clean, smooth, simple. I can't emphasize this one enough. I feel like we're going to lose the battle to HTML5 if we don't address this issue up front and quickly (like in the next couple of months). I don't want JFX to spend the next 10 years playing second fiddle to crappy web-apps, like Swing has had to. Please don't make me write more JavaScript.

For me that's what I'd like to see happen with JFX, the core libraries focus on getting the core things really good (such as looking good, which it most certainly has achieved, and deployment, which it most certainly hasn't), This core then facilitates the construction of feature rich application frameworks to solve specific domain cases for it.

Richard Bair <richard.bair at oracle.com> wrote: I think you make a very persuasive point that at this time there are app frameworks either released (yours) or in development (Jeff Martin's) and undoubtedly there will be more, and that perhaps we ought to spend our energy at Oracle in solving the part of the problem that only we can solve -- deployment and basic app lifecycle (such as is required to wire it all up to the native OS app lifecycle stuff).

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