[Python-3000] Making more effective use of slice objects in Py3k (original) (raw)

Nick Coghlan ncoghlan at gmail.com
Sun Aug 27 17:28:14 CEST 2006

Guido van Rossum wrote:

Can you explain in a sentence or two how these changes would be used? Your code examples don't speak for themselves (maybe because It's Saturday morning :-). Short examples of something clumsy and/or slow that we'd have to write today compared to something fast and elegant that we could write after the change woulde be quite helpful. The exact inheritance relationship between slice and [x]range seems a fairly uninteresting details in comparison.

A more unified model for representing sequence slices makes it practical to offer a non-copying string partitioning method like the version of partition_indices() in my initial message. With the current mixed model (sometimes using xrange(), sometimes using slice(), sometimes using a 3-tuple, sometimes using separate start & stop values), there is no point in offering such a method, as it would be terribly inconvenient to work with regardless of what kind of objects it returned to indicate the 3 portions of the original string:

I believe the current mixed model is actually an artifact of the transition from simple slicing to extended slicing, albeit one that is significantly less obvious than the deprecated *slice family of special methods. Old style slicing and string methods use separate start and stop values. Extended slicing uses slice objects with start,stop,step attributes (which can be anything, including None). The indices() method of slice objects uses a start,stop,step 3-tuple. Iteration uses either a list of indices (from range()) or xrange objects with start,stop,step attributes (which must be integers).

The basic proposal I am making is to reduce this to exactly two concepts:

All other instances in the core and standard library which use a different representation of a sequence slice (like the optional arguments to string methods, or the result of the indices() method) would change to use one of those two types. The methods of the types would be driven by the needs of the standard library.

In addition to reuding the number of concepts to be dealt with from 4 to 2, I believe this would make it much easier to write memory efficient code without having to duplicate entire objects with non-copying versions.

Cheers, Nick.

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