[Python-3000] Making more effective use of slice objects in Py3k (original) (raw)

Nick Coghlan ncoghlan at gmail.com
Mon Aug 28 13:40:41 CEST 2006

Guido van Rossum wrote:

On 8/27/06, Nick Coghlan <ncoghlan at gmail.com> wrote:

I believe the current mixed model is actually an artifact of the transition from simple slicing to extended slicing, Really? Extended slicing mostly meant adding a third "step" option to the slice syntax, which is useful for NumPy but completely pointless for string searches as we're discussing here. The slice() object was invented as an API hack so that we didn't have to add new special methods.

This is exactly what I'm talking about - I believe the reason you don't see it as an oddity, is because you were used to the "start+stop" idiom from before slice() was added. For me, only starting to seriously use Python after the *slice family of methods had already been deprecated, slice() objects are the basic idiom, with any occurrences of "start+stop" being artifacts of the old slicing model.

For someone picking up the language after slice() has been added, it's like "we've gone to all the effort of defining a type just for sequence slices, but we're only going to use it in this one little corner of the language".

All other instances in the core and standard library which use a different representation of a sequence slice (like the optional arguments to string methods, or the result of the indices() method) would change to use one of those two types. The methods of the types would be driven by the needs of the standard library. What's the indices() method?

An existing method on slice objects that accepts a sequence length and returns the appropriate (start, stop, step) 3-tuple. Very handy for implementing getitem methods properly.

Write the PEP and make sure it is plentiful of examples of old and new ways of doing common string operations.

Indeed!

Cheers, Nick.

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