[Python-3000] PEP 3113 (Removal of Tuple Parameter Unpacking) (original) (raw)

Nick Coghlan ncoghlan at gmail.com
Mon Mar 5 11:17:36 CET 2007

Ka-Ping Yee wrote:

In summary, all of the arguments for removing this feature are of the form "It won't hurt very much if we remove the feature"; the arguments for keeping the feature are of the form "This feature is useful and good for the language." Notice the asymmetry: there are no arguments that removing it will actually yield a better language, only arguments that the harm caused by removing it will be small.

The way I interpret the argument is more along the lines of "this feature has been in the language for years, but look at all these other aspects of the language and standard library that still don't support it correctly".

Now we have more features we want to add which would also require additional work in order to make tuple parameters work correctly.

I see the PEP as asking the question as to whether or not we really want to keep supporting a feature which makes it harder to do other things we want to do, when nobody has cared enough to even make that feature fully supported in the Python 2.x series.

As I recall, tuple parameter unpacking was also a cause of a number of tricky bugs during the transition to the AST-based compiler.

A little used feature that imposes a significant maintenance burden strikes me as well worth getting rid of - maintaining the status quo appears to be far from free once development effort is taken into account.

Further, by stripping the current version of this ability out, it opens the door to the introduction of a far less painful pre-AST form of syntactic sugar (similar to the way try-except-finally unification was handled). Such a re-introduction of automatic parameter unpacking might also be able to be designed such that the tuple itself is still assigned a name (which would alleviate many of the problems that make the current version of tuple parameter unpacking such a pain to deal with on the implementation side).

Regards, Nick.

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