[Python-Dev] Adding library modules to the core (original) (raw)

Eric S. Raymond esr@thyrsus.com
Mon, 7 Aug 2000 21:23:34 -0400

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Guido van Rossum <guido@beopen.com>:

[ESR] > 1. Has anybody got a vote on the menubrowser framwork facility I described?

Eric, as far as I can tell you haven't shown the code or given a pointer to it. I explained to you that your description left me in the dark as to what it does. Or did I miss a pointer? It seems your module doesn't even have a name! This is a bad way to start a discussion about the admission procedure. Nothing has ever been accepted into Python before the code was written and shown.

Easily fixed. Code's in an enclosure.

> 1. Do we have a procedure for vetting modules for inclusion in the stock > distribution? If not, should be institute one?

Typically, modules get accepted after extensive lobbying and agreement from multiple developers. The definition of "developer" is vague, and I can't give a good rule -- not everybody who has been admitted to the python-dev list has enough standing to make his opinion count!

Understood, and I assume one of those insufficient-standing people is me, given my short tenure on the list, and I cheerfully accept that. The real problem I'm going after here is that this vague rule won't scale well.

Basically, I rely a lot on what various people say, but I have my own bias about who I trust in what area. I don't think I'll have to publish a list of this bias, but one thing is clear: I;m not counting votes!

I wasn't necessarily expecting you to. I can't imagine writing a procedure in which the BDFL doesn't retain a veto.

I don't know mimectl or Vladimir's module (how does it compare to mmap?).

Different, as Thomas Wouters has already observed. Vladimir's module is more oriented towards supporting semaphores and exclusion. At one point many months ago, before Vladimir was on the list, I looked into it as a way to do exclusion locking for shared shelves. Vladimir and I even negotiated a license change with INRIA so Python could use it. That was my first pass at sharable shelves; it foundered on problems with the BSDDB 1.85 API. But shm would still be worth having in the core librariy, IMO.

The mimecntl module supports classes for representing MIME objects that include MIME-structure-sensitive mutation operations. Very strong candidate for inclusion, IMO.

> Now, assuming I do 3, would I need to go through the vote process > on each of these, or can I get a ukase from the BDFL authorizing me to > fold in stuff?

Sorry, I don't write blank checks.

And I wasn't expecting one. I'll write up some thoughts about this in the PEP.

> I realize I'm raising questions for which there are no easy answers. > But Python is growing. The Python social machine needs to adapt to > make such decisions in a more timely and less ad-hoc fashion. I'm > not attached to being the point person in this process, but > somebody's gotta be.

Watch out though: if we open the floodgates now we may seriously deteriorate the quality of the standard library, without doing much good.

The alternative is to end up with a Perl-like Case of the Missing Modules, where lots of things Python writers should be able to count on as standard builtins can't realistically be used, because the users they deliver to aren't going to want to go through a download step.

I'd much rather see an improved Vaults of Parnassus (where every module uses distutils and installation becomes trivial) than a fast-track process for including new code in the core.

The trouble is that I flat don't believe in this solution. It works OK for developers, who will be willing to do extra download steps -- but it won't fly with end-user types.

That said, I think writing a bunch of thoughts up as a PEP makes a lot of sense!

I've applied to initiate PEP 2.

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menubrowser.py -- framework class for abstract browser objects

from sys import stderr

class MenuBrowser: "Support abstract browser operations on a stack of indexable objects." def init(self, debug=0, errout=stderr): self.page_stack = [] self.selection_stack = [] self.viewbase_stack = [] self.viewport_height = 0 self.debug = debug self.errout = errout

def match(self, a, b):
    "Browseable-object comparison."
    return a == b

def push(self, browseable, selected=None):
    "Push a browseable object onto the location stack."
    if self.debug:
        self.errout.write("menubrowser.push(): pushing %s=@%d, selection=%s\n" % (browseable, id(browseable), `selected`))
    selnum = 0
    if selected == None:
        if self.debug:
            self.errout.write("menubrowser.push(): selection defaulted\n")
    else:
        for i in range(len(browseable)):
            selnum = len(browseable) - i - 1
            if self.match(browseable[selnum], selected):
                 break
        if self.debug:
            self.errout.write("menubrowser.push(): selection set to %d\n" % (selnum))
    self.page_stack.append(browseable)
    self.selection_stack.append(selnum)
    self.viewbase_stack.append(selnum - selnum % self.viewport_height)
    if self.debug:
        object = self.page_stack[-1]
        selection = self.selection_stack[-1]
        viewbase = self.viewbase_stack[-1]
        self.errout.write("menubrowser.push(): pushed %s=@%d->%d, selection=%d, viewbase=%d\n" % (object, id(object), len(self.page_stack), selection, viewbase))

def pop(self):
    "Pop a browseable object off the location stack."
    if not self.page_stack:
        if self.debug:
            self.errout.write("menubrowser.pop(): stack empty\n")
        return None
    else:
        item = self.page_stack[-1]
        self.page_stack = self.page_stack[:-1]
        self.selection_stack = self.selection_stack[:-1]
        self.viewbase_stack = self.viewbase_stack[:-1]
        if self.debug:
            if len(self.page_stack) == 0:
                self.errout.write("menubrowser.pop(): stack is empty.")
            else:
                self.errout.write("menubrowser.pop(): new level %d, object=@%d, selection=%d, viewbase=%d\n" % (len(self.page_stack), id(self.page_stack[-1]), self.selection_stack[-1], self.viewbase_stack[-1]))
        return item

def stackdepth(self):
    "Return the current stack depth."
    return len(self.page_stack)

def list(self):
    "Return all elements of the current object that ought to be visible."
    if not self.page_stack:
        return None
    object = self.page_stack[-1]
    selection = self.selection_stack[-1]
    viewbase = self.viewbase_stack[-1]

    if self.debug:
        self.errout.write("menubrowser.list(): stack level %d. object @%d, listing %s\n" % (len(self.page_stack)-1, id(object), object[viewbase:viewbase+self.viewport_height]))

    # This requires a slice method
    return object[viewbase:viewbase+self.viewport_height]

def top(self):
    "Return the top-of-stack menu"
    if self.debug >= 2:
        self.errout.write("menubrowser.top(): level=%d, @%d\n" % (len(self.page_stack)-1,id(self.page_stack[-1])))
    return self.page_stack[-1]

def selected(self):
    "Return the currently selected element in the top menu."
    object = self.page_stack[-1]
    selection = self.selection_stack[-1]
    if self.debug:
        self.errout.write("menubrowser.selected(): at %d, object=@%d, %s\n" % (len(self.page_stack)-1, id(object), self.selection_stack[-1]))
    return object[selection]

def viewbase(self):
    "Return the viewport base of the current menu."
    object = self.page_stack[-1]
    selection = self.selection_stack[-1]
    base = self.viewbase_stack[-1]
    if self.debug:
        self.errout.write("menubrowser.viewbase(): at level=%d, object=@%d, %d\n" % (len(self.page_stack)-1, id(object), base,))
    return base

def thumb(self):
    "Return top and bottom boundaries of a thumb scaled to the viewport."
    object = self.page_stack[-1]
    windowscale = float(self.viewport_height) / float(len(object))
    thumb_top = self.viewbase() * windowscale
    thumb_bottom = thumb_top + windowscale * self.viewport_height - 1
    return (thumb_top, thumb_bottom)

def move(self, delta=1, wrap=0):
    "Move the selection on the current item downward."
    if delta == 0:
        return
    object = self.page_stack[-1]
    oldloc = self.selection_stack[-1]

    # Change the selection.  Requires a length method
    if oldloc + delta in range(len(object)):
        newloc = oldloc + delta
    elif wrap:
        newloc = (oldloc + delta) % len(object)
    elif delta > 0:
        newloc = len(object) - 1
    else:
        newloc = 0
    self.selection_stack[-1] = newloc

    # When the selection is moved out of the viewport, move the viewbase
    # just part enough to track it.
    oldbase = self.viewbase_stack[-1]
    if newloc in range(oldbase, oldbase + self.viewport_height):
        pass
    elif newloc < oldbase:
        self.viewbase_stack[-1] = newloc
    else:
        self.scroll(newloc - (oldbase + self.viewport_height) + 1)

    if self.debug:
        self.errout.write("menubrowser.down(): at level=%d, object=@%d, old selection=%d, new selection = %d, new base = %d\n" % (len(self.page_stack)-1, id(object), oldloc, newloc, self.viewbase_stack[-1]))

    return (oldloc != newloc)

def scroll(self, delta=1, wrap=0):
    "Scroll the viewport up or down in the current option."
    print "delta:", delta
    object = self.page_stack[-1]
    if not wrap:
        oldbase = self.viewbase_stack[-1]
        if delta > 0 and oldbase+delta > len(object)-self.viewport_height:
            return
        elif delta < 0 and oldbase + delta < 0:
            return
    self.viewbase_stack[-1] = (self.viewbase_stack[-1] + delta) % len(object)

def dump(self):
    "Dump the whole stack of objects."
    self.errout.write("Viewport height: %d\n" % (self.viewport_height,))
    for i in range(len(self.page_stack)):
        self.errout.write("Page: %d\n" % (i,))
        self.errout.write("Selection: %d\n" % (self.selection_stack[i],))
        self.errout.write(`self.page_stack[i]` + "\n");

def next(self, wrap=0):
    return self.move(1, wrap)

def previous(self, wrap=0):
    return self.move(-1, wrap)

def page_down(self):
    return self.move(2*self.viewport_height-1)

def page_up(self):
    return self.move(-(2*self.viewport_height-1))

if name == 'main': import cmd, string, readline

def itemgen(prefix, count):
    return map(lambda x, pre=prefix: pre + `x`, range(count))

testobject = menubrowser()
testobject.viewport_height = 6
testobject.push(itemgen("A", 11))

class browser(cmd.Cmd):
    def __init__(self):
        self.wrap = 0
        self.prompt = "browser> "

    def preloop(self):
        print "%d: %s (%d) in %s" %  (testobject.stackdepth(), testobject.selected(), testobject.viewbase(), testobject.list())

    def postloop(self):
        print "Goodbye."

    def postcmd(self, stop, line):
        self.preloop()
        return stop

    def do_quit(self, line):
        return 1

    def do_exit(self, line):
        return 1

    def do_EOF(self, line):
        return 1

    def do_list(self, line):
        testobject.dump()

    def do_n(self, line):
        testobject.next()

    def do_p(self, line):
        testobject.previous()

    def do_pu(self, line):
        testobject.page_up()

    def do_pd(self, line):
        testobject.page_down()

    def do_up(self, line):
        if string.strip(line):
            n = string.atoi(line)
        else:
            n = 1
        testobject.move(-n, self.wrap)

    def do_down(self, line):
        if string.strip(line):
            n = string.atoi(line)
        else:
            n = 1
        testobject.move(n, self.wrap)

    def do_s(self, line):
        if string.strip(line):
            n = string.atoi(line)
        else:
            n = 1
        testobject.scroll(n, self.wrap)

    def do_pop(self, line):
        testobject.pop()

    def do_gen(self, line):
        tokens = string.split(line)
        testobject.push(itemgen(tokens[0], string.atoi(tokens[1])))

    def do_dump(self, line):
        testobject.dump()

    def do_wrap(self, line):
        self.wrap = 1 - self.wrap
        if self.wrap:
            print "Wrap is now on."
        else:
            print "Wrap is now off."

    def emptyline(self):
        pass

browser().cmdloop()

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