[Python-Dev] 1.6 job list (original) (raw)

Greg Stein gstein@lyra.org
Sun, 26 Mar 2000 04:14:32 -0800 (PST)

On Sat, 25 Mar 2000, Guido van Rossum wrote:

> I say "do it incrementally" while others say "do it all at once." > Personally, I don't think it is possible to do all at once. As a > corollary, if you can't do it all at once, but you require that it be > done all at once, then you have effectively deferred the problem. To put > it another way, Guido has already invented a reason to not do it: he just > requires that it be done all at once. Result: it won't be done.

Bullshit, Greg. (I don't normally like to use such strong words, but since you're being confrontational here...)

Fair enough, and point accepted. Sorry. I will say, tho, that you've taken this slightly out of context. The next paragraph explicitly stated that I don't believe you had this intent. I just felt that coming up with a complete plan before doing anything would be prone to failure. You asked to invent a new reason :-), so I said you had one already :-)

Confrontational? Yes, guilty as charged. I was a bit frustrated.

I'm all for doing it incrementally -- but I want the plan for how to do it made up front. That doesn't require all the details to be worked out -- but it requires a general idea about what kind of things we will have in the namespace and what kinds of names they get. An organizing principle, if you like. If we were to decide later that we go for a Java-like deep hierarchy, the network package would have to be moved around again -- what a waste.

All righty. So I think there is probably a single question that I have here:

Moshe posted a large breakdown of how things could be packaged. He and Ping traded a number of comments, and more will be coming as soon as people wake up :-)

However, if you are only looking for a "general idea", then should python-dev'ers nit pick the individual modules, or just examine the general breakdown and hierarchy?

thx, -g

-- Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/