[Python-Dev] Re: ConfigParser changes (original) (raw)

Eric S. Raymond esr@thyrsus.com
Tue, 31 Dec 2002 13:31:02 -0500

Fred L. Drake, Jr. <fdrake@acm.org>:

That would be nice to have; I should have responded to that point separately. Feel free to commit a minimal patch to fix that, and add a regression test to Lib/test/testcfgparser.py.

On my to-do list.

I don't think it's clear that using str() for this is valuable. Creating a potentially large string in memory may not be the best approach; I actually like the write() method better; the caller can decide to use a StringIO if that's what makes sense, or toss things to a real file if needed.

Guido has already made this point.

As a matter of taste, I like the serialization operation to be separate from I/O. I think that's cleaner, and in this case the in-memory string is unlikely to get large. But I don't actually need this change, so I won't argue for it against opposition.

Perhaps I missed it; did you preserve comments as well?

No. But comments are fair game to be discarded, since they're not part of the data content. In my use case they're not important.

I think the interface should be discussed; your implementation may be sufficient, but after working with pyexpat as much as I have, I've developed a strong dislike for attributes that have substantial side effects.

A fair point. I would be happy to change the interface away from a magic member to a real method. Likewise for the structured-value stuff.

If we're going to add a special syntax for multi-line values, we may need to think about encoding special values, text encoding, and Unicode. And that's never easy to get concensus on. ;-)

Then we shouldn't try. Let's not let the ideal be the enemy of the good here; the multiline-literal syntax is othorgonal to how we handle string encoding, and internationalization can be layered on it later.

> 3. Currently ConfigParser cannot support structured values. Again, I > need this capability (for association lists of coordinates and names, > as it happens). The syntax I have implemented is a configurable list > bracket character surrounding comma-separated lists. The alternative > Fred suggests is, I think, extremely ugly. If anyone has a more > natural suggestion than my proposal, I'm willing to hear it.

I think "suggests" is too strong a word; I was only citing precedence, not advocating that approach. I think it's pretty ugly as well.

I'm taking suggestions on how to do it right. I don't think there's any obviously better way than what I've implemented, except maybe for making the trigger a real method rather than a magic member.

> 4. I do in fact want to support `surgical' alteration of .INI files. > I have a use case for this in a configuration editor I'm writing for > FreeCiv. More generally, when writing code to support invertible > representations, I think it is good citizenship to perturb the > original data as little as possible. Thus I regard the fact that

I think there's a distinction between reading a configuration and editing it: The original code never wrote a file back out. That was something you added in revision 1.19.

Right, because I needed it.

Seriously, I have no objection to supporting surgical editing. I do think that separate classes should be used for read-only uses and read-write uses; a read-only ConfigParser-thingie should remain very lightweight, and surgical editing just isn't that.

I had this conversation with Guido a couple years back. I too would have been happier with two classes, one read-only and one that supports writing back out. Here is whatt Guido said and I replied:

Guido van Rossum <guido@beopen.com>:

One possible suggestion (just for your contemplation): if you're only adding methods, would it make sense to make a subclass, so that from the class one uses it is clear whether one intends to modify the options or just to read them? That would enable future optimizations.

Yes, and I even know what I'd call the class: ConfigEditor.

Unfortunately this plan it trips on a historical fact; one (1) of the write methods, add_section(), already existed in ConfigParser. Moving it to a ConfigEditor subclass would break backward compatibility. And I think it would be just too ugly to move all but one of the write methods into ConfigEditor and leave add_section() in the base class.

If not for this problem I would be more than happy to do as you suggest.

Guido dropped the thread, which I took to mean that he saw the force of the objection. But I'd still like to do as he suggested.

If the consensus is that its OK to deprecate add_section() and write() in the base class, I'll write ConfigEditor and move all my surgery stuff over there in a heartbeat.

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