[Python-Dev] Re: PEP 282 comments (original) (raw)

Jeremy Hylton jeremy@zope.com
Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:52:33 -0500

"GvR" == Guido van Rossum <guido@python.org> writes:

GvR> Zope is a sophisticated application that has needs that go far GvR> beyond those of most Python users. I'm very happy that it's GvR> proved possible to write Zope in Python. But I don't think it GvR> should be the measuring stick by which the functionality of the GvR> standard library must be measured.

This makes me want to ask a more fundamental question. What are the expected use cases for the standard logging module(s)? Who is the customer?

I've never used a logging library before I used Zope, and never really thought I needed one. (Perhaps it would have been useful in Grail.) It seems that prints are good enough for small applications and that more complex logging libraries are mostly useful for sophisticated applications. If logging is mostly useful for sophisticated applications, it would be a mistake to declare their requirements as too complex. On the other hand, maybe Zope should continue to use its own logging tools.

I may just be suffering from tunnel vision, but perhaps the PEP could have more text about the movitation. Why kinds of problems does it solve? For what kinds of programs?

lets-write-a-logging-tool-for-ndiff-ly y'rs, Jeremy