[Python-Dev] Re: PEP239 (Rational Numbers) Reference Implementation and new issues (original) (raw)

Christian Tismer tismer@tismer.com
Wed, 02 Oct 2002 19:55:25 -0700

Andrew Koenig wrote:

Greg> But how long are they going to stay small and efficient, Greg> once you start doing arithmetic on them?

Depends on what kind of arithmetic.

I doubt very much that this would help in more than few simple cases. Floats with high exponents are usually incorrect, since the number of bits of the exact representation is already truncated to the float limitation. With an exact rational representation all the bits are preserved, and it is unlikely that many of the lower bits simply become zero.

Greg> The problem as I see it is not the magnitude of the number, but Greg> that the number of significant bits grows without bound, if you Greg> never throw any of them away.

So I'm suggesting that maybe it won't get bad as quickly if you keep only the significant bits :-)

Yes. And this is what a rounding to float would do for you.

Seriously, I don't know whether it would help in practice. It might be that normalizing rationals from time to time would be enough.

Ok, not just zeros, but normalizing the fraction to no common denominator. That makes sense if lots of small numbers/fractions were multiplied and prime factors pile up. Not so with addition. This creates completely different prime factors all the time, and addition becomes much more expensive than multiplication when the common denominator must always be reduced to the minimum.

gotta-be-expensive -- chris

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