[Python-Dev] PEP 326 (quick location possibility) (original) (raw)

Josiah Carlson jcarlson at uci.edu
Wed Jan 28 02:05:21 EST 2004

Dear python-dev,

I took a pass through the archives of January, just to get an actual number on what people think of the ideas in the PEP. At the end of this email is a listing in +/- 1/0 format (FYI, I'm not counting myself in these), using only the latest +/- 1/0 comments from publicly posted emails to either python-dev or c.l.py.

The 4 that are against (-1) the PEP being included with Python or in the standard library, are /developers of/ Python.

The 12 that are in favor (+1) of the PEP being included with Python or in the standard library, are /users of/ Python.

I'll not attempt to analyze the reasons behind this split in opinion, for various reasons. I will state that the liklihood of it being accepted, with such strong core developer dislike for the PEP, is likely represented by some low probability that is arbitrarily close to 0, but not 'None', not 'not None', perhaps 'not not None', but not any other such foolishness (come on, it's a joke, laugh).

If there is a core Python developer who thinks that this functionality should be included with Python (accessable via some method on a builtin, name, attribute, etc.), I'm sure we'd like to hear from you.

If there does not exist a core Python developer who thinks that this functionality should be included with Python, I'll spend the next few days (maybe a week), updating the PEP, include some final words, and include a reasonably* named pair of objects in a reasonably named module for people to use if they want to. At some point in the future, if there exists support from the user community, we could discuss its inclusion/exclusion in the standard library.

I hope this is reasonable to everyone with an opinion on PEP 326. Thank you for all the feedback, criticisms, and suggestions,

Feelings on inclusion into Python or the standard library somewhere (name of objects and location preferences vary, if I mistook your opinion, my apologies, etc.) +1: Terry J. Reedy Andrew P. Lentvorski, Jr. David Eppstein Bob Ippolito Evan Simpson Andrew Koenig Gary Robinson (from c.l.py) John Roth (from c.l.py) A. Lloyd Flanagan (from c.l.py) Jeremy Fincher (from c.l.py) Andrew Koenig (from c.l.py) Erik Max Francis (from c.l.py)

+0 John Hazen Robert Brewer Michael Chermside

0 Phillip J. Eby

-0 Gerrit Holl

-1 Guido van Rossum Gustavo Niemeyer Jeremy Hylton Raymond Hettinger

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