[Python-Dev] Terminology for PEP 343 (original) (raw)

Nick Coghlan ncoghlan at gmail.com
Tue Jul 5 15:04:05 CEST 2005

Raymond Hettinger wrote:

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This is nicely done :-) Nit: Replace "e.g." with "such as". BTW, do you support changing exit to leave? I think it provides a small but useful gain in usability.

I was initially -0 on the idea, and I've moved to a solid -1 after spending more time thinking about it.

The only real pro I can see for 'leave' is that it is more common than 'exit' in conversational English, particularly when using the past tense. However, I've come to see significant pros for staying with 'exit':

  1. 'Exit' is more precise than 'leave'. 'exit' has just the one real meaning - to go out of something. It has a couple of variants on the theme, and can be used as both a verb and a noun, but the basic meaning stays the same. However, the same cannot be said for 'leave'. In addition to its usage as a synonym for 'exit', it can be used in the sense of not taking something ('leave it behind'), not doing something ('leave the lights on') or handing over responsibility ('leave it to me'). When used as a noun, it refers to permission ('you have my leave') and absences ('annual leave'). 'Exit' covers just what we mean, while 'leave' covers that and a hell of a lot more, leading me to favour 'exit' as the more precise term.

  2. Enter/exit and arrive/leave are the natural terminology pairings in English. The first pair are more specific, implying the existence of an 'inside' and an 'outside', while the latter pair are significantly less fussy (e.g. consider arriving at and leaving a picnic in the park, versus trying to enter and exit that same picnic). It is just a quirk of the language that the more general term 'leave' is substituted for many uses of 'exit' (particularly when the past tense is involved). I suspect the single syllable of 'left' tends to win out over the three syllable verbal gymnastics of 'exited' (try saying the two words out loud - I found the difference to be surprising, and significantly more marked than the difference between 'enter' and 'arrive'). In our case, code is written and read far more often than it is spoken, again leading me to favour the use of 'exit', this time as the more natural counterpart to 'enter'.

  3. The common starting letter gives a nice visual pairing for enter/exit. This is not the case for enter/leave, again leading to a preference for the use of 'exit'.

Using 'leave' instead of 'exit' is an interesting idea, but I think these are good reasons to stick with the PEP 343 terminology.

Cheers, Nick.

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