[Python-Dev] Extending tuple unpacking (original) (raw)

Nick Coghlan ncoghlan at gmail.com
Tue Oct 11 16:51:30 CEST 2005

Greg Ewing wrote:

Guido van Rossum wrote:

BTW, what should [a, b, *rest] = (1, 2, 3, 4, 5) do? Should it set rest to (3, 4, 5) or to [3, 4, 5]? Whatever type is chosen, it should be the same type, always. The rhs could be any iterable, not just a tuple or a list. Making a special case of preserving one or two types doesn't seem worth it to me.

And, for consistency with functions, the type chosen should be a tuple.

I'm also trying to figure out why you would ever write: [a, b, c, d] = seq

instead of: a, b, c, d = seq

or: (a, b, c, d) = seq

It's not like the square brackets generate different code:

Py> def foo(): ... x, y = 1, 2 ... (x, y) = 1, 2 ... [x, y] = 1, 2 ... Py> dis.dis(foo) 2 0 LOAD_CONST 3 ((1, 2)) 3 UNPACK_SEQUENCE 2 6 STORE_FAST 1 (x) 9 STORE_FAST 0 (y)

3 12 LOAD_CONST 4 ((1, 2)) 15 UNPACK_SEQUENCE 2 18 STORE_FAST 1 (x) 21 STORE_FAST 0 (y)

4 24 LOAD_CONST 5 ((1, 2)) 27 UNPACK_SEQUENCE 2 30 STORE_FAST 1 (x) 33 STORE_FAST 0 (y) 36 LOAD_CONST 0 (None) 39 RETURN_VALUE

So my vote would actually go for deprecating the use of square brackets to surround an assignment target list - it makes it look like an actual list object should be involved somewhere, but there isn't one.

? And then perhaps

*rest = x should mean rest = tuple(x) Or should that be disallowed Why bother? What harm would result from the ability to write that?

Given that: def foo(*args): print args

is legal, I would have no problem with "*rest = x" being legal.

There certainly is a need for doing the same from the end:

*rest, a, b = (1, 2, 3, 4, 5) I wouldn't mind at all if *rest were only allowed at the end. There's a pragmatic reason for that if nothing else: the rhs can be any iterable, and there's no easy way of getting "all but the last n" items from a general iterable.

Agreed. The goal here is to make the name binding rules consistent between for loops, tuple assigment and function entry, not to create different rules.

Where does it stop? For me, it stops with *rest only allowed at the end, and always yielding a predictable type (which could be either tuple or list, I don't care).

For me, it stops when the rules for positional name binding are more consistent across operations that bind names (although complete consistency isn't possible, given that function calls don't unpack sequences automatically).

Firstly, let's list the operations that permit name binding to a list of identifiers:

However, that function argument case needs to be recognised as a two step operation, whereby the arguments are always packed into a tuple before being bound to the parameters.

That is something very vaguely like: if numargs > 0: if numargs == 1: argtuple = args, # One argument gives singleton tuple else: argtuple = args # More arguments gives appropriate tuple argtuple += tuple(starargs) # Extended arguments are added to the tuple param1, param2, *rest = argtuple # Tuple is unpacked to parameters

This means that the current behaviour of function parameters is actually the same as assignment target lists and iteration variables, in that the argument tuple is always unpacked into the parameter list - the only difference is that a single argument is always considered a singleton tuple. You can get the same behaviour with target lists and iteration variables by only using tuples of identifiers as targets (i.e., use "x," rather than just "x").

So the proposal at this stage is simply to mimic the unpacking of the argument tuple into the formal parameter list in the other two name list binding cases, such that the pseudocode above would actually do the same thing as building an argument list and binding it to its formal parameters does.

Now, when it came to tuple packing syntax (i.e., extended call syntax) The appropriate behaviour would be for:

1, 2, 3, *range(10)

to translate (roughly) to:

(1, 2, 3) + tuple(range(10))

However, given that the equivalent code works just fine anywhere it really matters (assignment value, return value, yield value), and is clearer about what is going on, this option is probably worth avoiding.

BTW, and quite unrelated, I've always felt uncomfortable that you have to write

f(a, b, foo=1, bar=2, *args, **kwds) I've always wanted to write that as f(a, b, *args, foo=1, bar=2, **kwds) Yes, I'd like that too, with the additional meaning that foo and bar can only be specified by keyword, not by position.

Indeed. It's a (minor) pain that optional flag variables and variable length argument lists are currently mutually exclusive. Although, if you had that rule, I'd want to be able to write:

def f(a, b, *, foo=1, bar=2): pass

to get a function which required exactly two positional arguments, but had a couple of optional keyword arguments, rather than having to do:

def f(a, b, *args, foo=1, bar=2): if args: raise TypeError("f() takes exactly 2 positional arguments (%d given)", 2 + len(args))

Cheers, Nick.

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