[Python-Dev] Pre-PEP: Task-local variables (original) (raw)

Nick Coghlan ncoghlan at gmail.com
Fri Oct 21 17:08:43 CEST 2005

Guido van Rossum wrote:

If it weren't for Python's operator overloading, the decimal module would have used explicit contexts (like the Java version); but since it would be really strange to have such a fundamental numeric type without the ability to use the conventional operator notation, we resorted to per-thread context. Even that doesn't always do the right thing -- handling decimal contexts is surprisingly subtle (as Nick can testify based on his experiences attempting to write a decimal context manager for the with-statement!).

Indeed. Fortunately it isn't as complicated as I feared last night (it turned out to be a problem with me trying to hit a small nail with the new sledgehammer I was playing with, forgetting entirely about the trusty old normal hammer still in the toolkit).

But I haven't seen the use case yet for mixing coroutines with changes to decimal context settings; somehow it doesn't strike me as a likely use case (not that you can't construct one, so don't bother -- I can imagine it too, I just think YAGNI).

For Python 2.5, I think the approach of generators explicitly reverting altered contexts around yield expressions is a reasonable way to go.

This concept is workable for generators, because they know when they're going to lose control (i.e., by invoking yield), whereas it's impossible for threads to know when the eval loop is going to drop them in favour of a different thread.

I think the parallel between iter and with continues to work here, too

Also, just as we eventually added "itertools" to support specific ways of working with iterators, I expect to eventually see "contexttools" to support specific ways of working with contexts (e.g. duck-typed contexts like "closing", or a 'nested' context that allowed multiple resources to be properly managed by a single with statement).

contexttools would also be the place for ideas like suspending and resuming a context - rather than requiring specific syntax, it could be implemented as a context manager:

ctx = suspendable_context(EXPR) with ctx as VAR: # VAR would still be the result of (EXPR).with().enter() # It's just that suspendable_context would be taking care of # making that happen, rather than it happening the usual way with ctx.suspended(): # Context is suspended here # Context is resumed here

I do not think we should add contexttools in Python 2.5, because there's far too much chance of YAGNI. We need experience with the 'with' statement before we can really identify the tools that are appropriate.

Cheers, Nick.

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