[Python-Dev] Draft proposal: Implicit self in Python 3.0 (original) (raw)

Thomas Wouters thomas at xs4all.net
Sun Jan 8 20:30:18 CET 2006

On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 06:31:35PM +0100, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote:

Thomas Wouters wrote: > My point isn't that it isn't archived somewhere (mailinglists, wiki, FAQ, > the minds of many, many people, not just Python developers) but that it > isn't easily findable and it isn't easily accessible in a single location.

Why would a single Wiki page not be accessible in a single location? Why is the FAQ not accessible in a single location?

Unless either of those would replace PEPs (or include all information from all PEPs), they would be a second location.

> I thought PEP's where supposed to be that, and if I have a particular > idea for new syntax or new semantics, PEPs would be the place I'd look, > not the FAQ or a Wiki.

Right. However, I doubt you would look in the "rejected ideas" PEP.

You may have the luxury of that doubt, but I don't :) I'm sorry if my comments sounded hypothetical; they weren't. I did wonder about (among other things) 'x, y, *rest = l', and because I didn't know the name, I did browse the PEP list. A 'Rejected Ideas' PEP would've caught my eye even if I didn't have a hunch Guido would reject 'x, y, *r = l'.

I agree that collecting them in a single place is a good idea. Whether this is a PEP, a Wiki page, or the FAQ is nearly irrelevant, except: - it is strange to call it a "Python Enhancement Proposal"

They are proposals to enhance Python, though. That's exactly why I argue they should be in a PEP, not in some other location: it's all neatly bundled together. It's just not a PEP per single proposal.

- in either the FAQ or the PEP, it will stay in its initial form forever, since nobody but the original author will edit it (that could be true of a Wiki page as well, but on a Wiki page, people know they are meant to edit it if they want to say something)

I don't think the rejected-ideas collection should be publically editable either. It's not a discussion forum, it's not meant to get people to persuade Guido to change his mind, it's a list of "these things just aren't going to happen, deal with it". A Meta-PEP like Tim suggested seems most appropriate to me, even if it isn't purely Meta; practicality beats purity and all that.

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