[Python-Dev] Path object design (original) (raw)

Andrew Dalke dalke at dalkescientific.com
Sat Nov 4 01:56:39 CET 2006

Martin:

Just in case this isn't clear from Steve's and Fredrik's post: The behaviour of this function is (or should be) specified, by an IETF RFC. If somebody finds that non-intuitive, that's likely because their mental model of relative URIs deviate's from the RFC's model.

While I didn't realize that urljoin is only supposed to be used with a base URL, where "base URL" (used in the docstring) has a specific requirement that it be absolute.

I instead saw the word "join" and figured it's should do roughly the same things as os.path.join.

import urlparse urlparse.urljoin("file:///path/to/hello", "slash/world") 'file:///path/to/slash/world' urlparse.urljoin("file:///path/to/hello", "/slash/world") 'file:///slash/world' import os os.path.join("/path/to/hello", "slash/world") '/path/to/hello/slash/world'

It does not. My intuition, nowadays highly influenced by URLs, is that with a couple of hypothetical functions for going between filenames and URLs:

os.path.join(absolute_filename, filename)

file_url_to_filename(urlparse.urljoin( filename_to_file_url(absolute_filename), filename_to_file_url(filename)))

which is not the case. os.join assumes the base is a directory name when used in a join: "inserting '/' as needed" while RFC 1808 says

       The last segment of the base URL's path (anything
       following the rightmost slash "/", or the entire path if no
       slash is present) is removed

Is my intuition wrong in thinking those should be the same?

I suspect it is. I've been very glad that when I ask for a directory name that I don't need to check that it ends with a "/". Urljoin's behaviour is correct for what it's doing. os.path.join is better for what it's doing. (And about once a year I manually verify the difference because I get unsure.)

I think these should not share the "join" in the name.

If urljoin is not meant for relative base URLs, should it raise an exception when misused? Hmm, though the RFC algorithm does not have a failure mode and the result may be a relative URL.

Consider

urlparse.urljoin("http://blah.com/a/b/c", "..") 'http://blah.com/a/' urlparse.urljoin("http://blah.com/a/b/c", "../") 'http://blah.com/a/' urlparse.urljoin("http://blah.com/a/b/c", "../..") 'http://blah.com/' urlparse.urljoin("http://blah.com/a/b/c", "../../") 'http://blah.com/' urlparse.urljoin("http://blah.com/a/b/c", "../../..") 'http://blah.com/' urlparse.urljoin("http://blah.com/a/b/c", "../../../") 'http://blah.com/../' urlparse.urljoin("http://blah.com/a/b/c", "../../../..") # What?! 'http://blah.com/' urlparse.urljoin("http://blah.com/a/b/c", "../../../../") 'http://blah.com/../../'

Of course, there is also the chance that the implementation deviates from the RFC; that would be a bug.

The comment in urlparse

# XXX The stuff below is bogus in various ways...

is ever so reassuring. I suspect there's a bug given the previous code. Or I've a bad mental model. ;)

                    Andrew
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