[Python-Dev] PEP 315 - do while (original) (raw)

Hans Polak Hans.Polak at capgemini.com
Mon Oct 2 08:41:53 CEST 2006

Hi Nick,

Yep, PEP 315. Sorry about that.

Now, about your suggestion do: while else:

This is pythonic, but not logical. The 'do' will execute at least once, so the else clause is not needed, nor is the . The should go before the while terminator.

I'm bound to reiterate my proposal:

<before loop code>
do:
    <loop body>
    <setup code>
    while <condition>
<after loop code>

Example (if you know there will be at least one val). source.open() do: val = source.read(1) process(val) while val != lastitem source.close()

The c syntax is: do { block of code } while (condition is satisfied);

The VB syntax is: do block loop while

Cheers & thanks for your reply, Hans Polak.

-----Original Message----- From: Nick Coghlan [mailto:ncoghlan at gmail.com] Sent: domingo, 01 de octubre de 2006 6:18 To: Hans Polak Cc: python-dev at python.org Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 351 - do while

Hans Polak wrote:

Hi,

Just an opinion, but many uses of the 'while true loop' are instances of a 'do loop'. I appreciate the language layout question, so I'll give you an alternative: do: while

I believe you meant to write PEP 315 in the subject line :)

To fully account for loop else clauses, this suggestion would probably need to be modified to look something like this:

Basic while loop:

 <setup code>
 while <condition>:
     <loop body>
     <setup code>
 else:
     <loop completion code>

Using break to avoid code duplication:

 while True:
     <setup code>
     if not <condition>:
         <loop completion code>
         break
     <loop body>

Current version of PEP 315:

 do:
     <setup code>
 while <condition>:
     <loop body>
 else:
     <loop completion code>

This suggestion:

 do:
     <setup code>
     while <condition>
     <loop body>
 else:
     <loop completion code>

I personally like that style, and if the compiler can dig through a function

looking for yield statements to identify generators, it should be able to dig through a do-loop looking for the termination condition.

As I recall, the main objection to this style was that it could hide the loop termination condition, but that isn't actually mentioned in the PEP (and in the typical do-while case, the loop condition will still be clearly visible at the end of the loop body).

Regards, Nick.

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