[Python-Dev] with_traceback (original) (raw)

Andrew Dalke dalke at dalkescientific.com
Wed Feb 28 09:50:54 CET 2007

Glyph:

This seems like kind of a strange micro-optimization to have an impact on a language change discussion.

Just as a reminder, my concern is that people reuse exceptions (rarely) and that the behavior of the "with_exceptions()" method is ambiguous when that happens. It has nothing to do with optimization.

The two solutions of:

  1. always replace an existing traceback
  2. never replace an existing traceback both seem to lead to problems.

Here are minimal examples for thought:

I know PJE says this is bad style for 3.0. Will P3K help

identify this problem? If it's allowable, what will it do?

(Remember, I found existing code which reuses exceptions

so this isn't purely theoretical, only rare.)

BAD = Exception("that was bad") try: raise BAD except Exception: pass raise BAD # what traceback will be shown here?

(Oh, and what would a debugger report?)

2nd example; reraise an existing exception instance.

It appears that any solution which reports a problem

for #1 will not allow one or both of the following.

try: raise Exception("bad") except Exception as err: first_err = err try: raise Exception("bad") except Exception: raise first_err # what traceback will be shown here?

3rd example, like the 2nd but end it with

raise first_err.with_exception(first_err.traceback) # what traceback will be shown here?

I'm sorry if this has been proposed already in this discussion (I searched around but did not find it),

I saw references to a PEP about it but could not find the PEP. Nor could I find much discussion either. I would like to know the details. I assume that "raise" adds the traceback if it's not None, hence there's no way it can tell if the traceback on the instance was created with "with_traceback()" from an earlier "raise" or from the with_traceback.

But in the current examples it appears that the Exception class could attach a traceback during instantiation and "with_traceback" simply replaces that. I doubt this version, but cannot be definitive.

While variant method/syntax may improve matters, I think people will write code as above -- all of which are valid Python 2.x and 3.x -- and end up with strange and hard to interpret tracebacks.

    Andrew
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