[Python-Dev] Python-3.0, unicode, and os.environ (original) (raw)

Oleg Broytmann phd at phd.pp.ru
Sat Dec 6 15:34:54 CET 2008

On Fri, Dec 05, 2008 at 08:37:45PM -0500, James Y Knight wrote:

On Dec 5, 2008, at 7:48 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote:

You can't display a non-decodable filename to the user, hence the user will have no idea what they're working on. Non-filesystem related apps have no business trying to deal with insane filenames. Sigh, same arguments, all over again. Again, both KDE and Gnome apps display non-decodable filenames to the user, and let the user work with the files. They display as good a rendition as they can, using a replacement character as appropriate. In some earlier versions, KDE did not work at all on poorly-encoded files, and, users submitted bug reports. People do care, it does happen in real life, and it is a bug in your software if you cannot deal with the users' files. They just want the software to work. If it shows something weird in the window titlebar, that's a bit irritating but at least it doesn't get in the way of working.

I agree 100%. Russian Unix users use at least 5 different encodings (koi8-r, cp1251 and utf-8 are the most frequent in use, cp866 and iso-8859-5 are less frequent). I have an FTP server with some filenames in koi8 encoding - these filenames are for unix clients, - and some filenames in cp1251 for w32 clients. Sometimes I run utf-8 xterm (I am a commandline/console unixhead) for my needs (read email, write files in utf-8 with characters beyond koi8-r, which is my primary encoding) - and I still can work with filenames in koi8/cp1251 encodings. My filemanager (Midnight Commander, for the matter) shows these files and directories as "?????.???", but I can chdir to such directories, and I can open such files. It would be a big bad blow for me if filemanagers (or other programs) start to filter these filenames.

Oleg.

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