[Python-Dev] microsoft dlls apparently don't support data. implications: PyAPI functions required to access data across modules. (original) (raw)

Ulrich Eckhardt eckhardt at satorlaser.com
Mon Jan 26 17:31:37 CET 2009

On Sunday 25 January 2009, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:

matthieu, thank you for responding. from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic-linklibrary:

"Third, dynamic linking is inherently the wrong model for paged memory managed systems. Such systems work best with the idea that code is invariant from the time of assembly/compilation on. ........... Data references do not need to be so vectored because DLLs do not share data." ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ does anyone happen to know what this means?

I can only guess: The difference between code and data is that code can be loaded into a process by simply mapping it into the virtual memory. For data that is constant, the same applies. For non-const data, you absolutely must not do that though, because it would make processes interfere with each other, and that is what the above text probably means.

So, the important difference is rather that read-only stuff can be memory-mapped while read-write stuff can't. Since code is read-only (barring self-modifying code and trampolines etc), it is automatically always sharable.

curt, thank you for responding. i'd seen this: i understood it - and... yet... mingw happily segfaults when asked to access any data in any object file of the python2N dll.

Dump the address of said data and its size from inside that DLL and from outside just to see if they differ, both from the same process. I'd also dump the size, in case different compiler settings messed up padding or something like that.

from looking so far. e.g. i expected MSVCRT.DLL errno to be an int - it's not: it's a function).

'errno' can't be an int, because it needs to be thread-local. Also, note the important difference between "errno is an int" and "errno yields an lvalue of type int". The latter is how the standard defines it.

sigh. if this turns out to be yet another gcc / mingw bug i'm going to be slightly annoyed. only slightly, because this is free software, after all :)

Can you reproduce this with a separate example?

Uli

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