[Python-Dev] an alternative to embedding policy in PEP 418 (was: PEP 418: Add monotonic clock) (original) (raw)

Oleg Broytman phd at phdru.name
Thu Apr 5 01:05:03 CEST 2012

On Wed, Apr 04, 2012 at 12:52:00PM -0700, Ethan Furman wrote:

Oleg Broytman wrote: >On Wed, Apr 04, 2012 at 11:03:02AM -0700, Ethan Furman wrote: >>Oleg Broytman wrote: >>> . Pythonic equivalent of "getclock(THIS) or getclok(THAT)" is >>> >>>for flag in (THIS, THAT): >>> try: >>> clock = getclock(flag) >>> except: >>> pass >>> else: >>> break >>>else: >>> raise ValueError('Cannot get clock, tried THIS and THAT') >> >>Wow -- you'd rather write nine lines of code instead of three? >> >>clock = getclock(THIS) or getclock(THAT) >>if clock is None: >> raise ValueError('Cannot get clock, tried THIS and THAT') > > Yes - to force people to write the last two lines. Without forcing >most programmers will skip them.

Forced? I do not use Python to be forced to use one style of programming over another.

Then it's strange you are using Python with its strict syntax (case-sensitivity, forced indents), ubiquitous exceptions, limited syntax of lambdas and absence of code blocks (read - forced functions), etc.

And it's not like returning None will allow some clock calls to work but not others -- as soon as they try to use it, it will raise an exception.

There is a philosophical distinction between EAFP and LBYL. I am mostly proponent of LBYL. Well, I am partially retreat. "Errors should never pass silently. Unless explicitly silenced." get_clock(FLAG, on_error=None) could return None.

Oleg.

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