[Python-Dev] an alternative to embedding policy in PEP 418 (was: PEP 418: Add monotonic clock) (original) (raw)
Oleg Broytman phd at phdru.name
Thu Apr 5 17:22:17 CEST 2012
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On Thu, Apr 05, 2012 at 11:45:06PM +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Oleg Broytman <phd at phdru.name> wrote: > Why doesn't open() return None for a non-existing file? or > socket.gethostbyname() for a non-existing name?
That's not an answer to my question, because those calls have very important use cases where the user knows the object exists (and in fact in some cases open() will create it for him), so that failure to exist is indeed a (user) error (such as a misspelling). I find it hard to imagine use cases where "file = open(thisfile) or open(thatfile)" makes sense. Not even for the case where thisfile == 'script.pyc' and thatfile == 'script.py'.
Counterexamples - any configuration file: a program looks for its config
at $HOME and not finding it there looks in /etc. So
config = open('/.someprogram.config') or open('/etc/someprogram/config')
would make sense. The absence of any of these files is not an error at
all - the program just starts with default configuration. So if the
resulting config in the code above would be None - it's still would be
ok. But Python doesn't allow that.
Some configuration files are constructed by combining a number of
user-defined and system-defined files. E.g., the mailcap database. It
should be something like
combined_database = [db for db in (
open('/etc/mailcap'),
open('/usr/etc/mailcap'),
open('/usr/local/etc/mailcap'),
open('/.mailcap'),
) if db]
But no way - open() raises IOError, not return None. And I think it is
the right way. Those who want to write the code similar to the examples
above - explicitly suppress exceptions by writing wrappers.
The point of the proposed getclock(), OTOH, is to ask if an object with certain characteristics exists, and the fact that it returns the clock rather than True if found is a matter of practical convenience. Precisely because "clock = getclock(best) or getclock(better) or getclock(acceptable)" does make sense.
Oleg.
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