[Python-Dev] backporting stdlib 2.7.x from pypy to cpython (original) (raw)

Brett Cannon brett at yvrsfo.ca
Tue Jun 12 05:29:29 CEST 2012

On Monday, June 11, 2012, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

Brett Cannon writes:

> But we already have the various SIGs carry out discussions outside of > python-dev and just bring forward their results to python-dev when they are > ready. Why would this list be any different? (1) Because AIUI the main problem this list is supposed to solve is contacting interested parties and getting them to come to python-dev where the actual discussion will take place. Almost certainly some of the actual discussion will take place on python-dev, no? It is on-topic for python-dev, right? (Guido seems to think so, anyway....) So it's not going to focus discussion the way a SIG list does.

Not necessarily. Just like discussions on SIGs can start and end there, I see no requirement that discussions on the list end up on python-dev.

(2) Because it delegates issue triage to people who don't actually know which of the various VMs will care about a particular change, so it's unlikely to be terribly accurate. (3) The SIGs attract long-term interest from a body of "usual suspects". It's worth it to them to invest in the SIG list. While the VM folks will have a long term interest, by the current definition of the new list they won't be starting threads very often! The people who should be starting threads are quite likely to have interest in only one thread, so their incentive to move it to the new list will be low; their natural tendency will be to post to python-dev and "let George move the thread if needed". Discussions on the list would universally affect all VMs, so there is an incentive to pay attention.

None of that means the new list is a bad idea -- it might be accurate enough to be a big improvement, etc -- just that it clearly is different from the various SIGs in some important ways.

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