Pre or mid lampstands (original) (raw)

Hi John and Doves,

I am part way through Nelson Walters Revelation Deciphered which is Pre wrath, so that Rev 7 and Rev 14/15
are the rapture parallel verses, where the 6 seals happen and then the rapture in year 6 of the 7.
Also reading a book from the 1940s that says the 1260 is years.

So I am still confused about when anything happens.

Then Fay sends the youtube (My biggest fear, the rapture, soldiers of christ) and this guy points out something I have never come across. Maybe you all have, but I had not.

I thought that the pretrib pre 7 year camp always pointed to "come up here" as the rapture. (which is the case), BUT, this guy adds an insight that the LAMPSTAND is the church, and the LAMPSTAND which is the church is IN HEAVEN when JOHN COMES UP HERE.

Rev 1

20 .... the seven lampstands
are the seven churches.

Rev 4
..Come up here..

2. there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it.

5. ... Before the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the seven spirits of God.

6 Also before the throne there was what looked like a sea of glass, clear as crystal.

So - maybe "the church" has been raptured and is "the lampstands" under the lamps?? maybe even the "sea of glass".
Or.. maybe even "the body of christ", as somewhere it says we are the body of christ who lives in us??

if we are the "body of christ", are we also in this verse somewhere????

6Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing in the center of the
throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. He had seven
horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the
earth.

The guy from the video also points out that "the great multitude" in Rev 7 (that I was thinking was the raptured church in year 6 of the 7 years after the 6 seals as per Nelson Walters,) MAYBE this "great multitude" is a group "after the church" because John and the Elder has the conversation about "who are these"??? And likely if they were the full church raptured then John would know???

Rev 7 13Then one of the elders asked me,
"These in white robes--who are they,
and where did they come from?"
14I answered, "Sir, you know."
15And he said, "These are they who
have come out of the great tribulation;