Before You Buy Gaming Mice (General Technical Terms,Optical vs Laser,Popular Mouse Sensor,Mice Recommendation,And Many More!) (original) (raw)

6 hours ago, acheahead said:

Sorry for the delayed response - Life and all

I'll preface it by saying: I dislike top 10's in general when they rely so heavily on personal preference.
It's like listing a personal top 10 of ice creams - A bad example, but I think it'll do.
What I like about http://www.rocketjumpninja.com/ is that he's very open about it - It's HIS list, and his only.
"The list you’ll see next is based on what I’d recommend, but take it as a suggestion only! You still need to decide what’s right for you."

.. But I'm kinda of unsure what to conclude from this: His own personal top 10 includes the G303, yet his "Find a Mouse guide" doesn't feature it in any of the hand size categories.
A crude person would think he removed it/hasn't added it because it's pretty unavailable (no 2-3% ) another assumption could be it's due to drama about it.
I've torn mine apart two times to fix my Left mouse click, it worked the second time and it feels better than ever! (Thinking about doing the same mod to other buttons )

That's why i dislike top ten as well.

I don't care about his top 10 list or whatever.

I prefer to watch his videos on the mouse and decide for myself.

6 hours ago, acheahead said:

And I'm afraid it might also be mostly a personal "hatred" towards MMO mice, rather than a viable conclusion.
I simply just hate (No quotes! ) them and see no reason for them other than brands trying to push out more sales due to faulty units.
A mouse with 12 extra buttons, that usually uses inferior switches than the main buttons, should be more prone to failure - At least in theory.

Well as long you buy a high quality mice like roccat nyth or corsair scimitar i am sure you wont have any problem with the button unlike razer.
On top of that you still have a warranty, if its faulty just rma it.

6 hours ago, acheahead said:

A budget sensor still widely used by any respectable company who hasn't jumped on the 3360 wagon yet compared to the "mid-range sensor" that is the 3330.
While talking sheets let's compare the 3310 to the 3330 - The 3330 only provides little improvements, if we only look at the spec sheet, compared to the "major leap" it takes going from either to the 3360.

Most gaming mice from respectable company used 3360 nowadays trust me that is unless you are talking about a mice from the past 2-4 years.

6 hours ago, acheahead said:

What real world scenarios? If strictly talking about general usage it shouldn't be a factor when buying/looking/comparing gaming mice.
I'm in the camp of people that felt a major improvement going from the 3310<3366.
Sure I'm not a pro gamer, nor do I even play CSGO that active-/competitively but again I felt a vast improvement in switching sensors.

Gaming of course, We are talking about gaming mice aren't we?

Even Z can't really tell the difference between mercury and 3360 and even if he does the differences is very subtle.

6 hours ago, acheahead said:

I'd still like to try a hard mat with a laser sensor, since I'm still under the assumption that what I disliked about the sensei might've been my cloth mat.
.. then again it might not've been.
The point I'm trying to make: I went from the Lasery Sensei to the Rival 300 and felt suuuuch an improvement I couldn't believe it.
I was suddenly capable of hitting targets, flick awping etc. Stuff I struggled with during the Sensei.

A lot of user had issues with the sensei and most people that posted their issues on youtube are using a clothpad.

But there are people who still have some issues even thought they are already using a hardpad.

6 hours ago, acheahead said:

For all I know they might "need" those huge increase in numbers (Increased DPI/IPS etc) to gain those major gains that I'm seeing/feeling.

Increasing IPS might help although most people are already satisfied with the 3360..so even though they can the differences would be very subtle.

But there are individual who swore that they notice an improvement switching from 3360 to 3366 so increasing the IPS and whatnot might make em happier.

6 hours ago, acheahead said:

As for lift off distance I'm not sure as I have no issue with my own. I don't lift my mouse that often.

You'll be surprised on how Pro player always reposition their mice, lift em up and whip em around like a lunatic lol

6 hours ago, acheahead said:

Which is why I actually started gibbering
I still dislike the section/comparison between the 3330 and 3360 EVEN taking into consideration what ze mighty Rocketjumpninja says.

~Blablablabla just go with the 3310 if nothing else is available its a good sensor -Rocketjump

No no no that's not what i am trying to say.
What i am trying to say is that as long as the sensor is good enough FOR YOU then don't bother with it.

So if the 3310 is good enough for you then good and as i said there are some mice which can give you more advantages because of the shape and button rather than the sensor.

As i still saw some people still rocking 3310 because they love the shape and struggled to find a similar mice with the same shape but with superior sensor.

I am not trying to say just get the 3310 because its a good sensor like what Z said in his videos.

Again i said that because nowadays most gaming mice use either customized 3360 or another Customized high end sensor and it will continue that way.

This guide is not for a PRO, So even if i said "dont bother with the sensor" and if they (Pros) read it i am sure they wont go with the 3310 unless there are other factor that give them more benefit than the sensor in which they probably already knew and won't bother reading this guide anyway.

So if you are for example a newbie and stuck between the G PRO and the G102/203 then don't bother with it because the sensor perform really similar as described in this guide on the popular gaming sensor section.

What i am really trying to say is that unlike the old days when sensor is still an important factor that we should consider when buying a gaming mouse, Nowadays Most gaming mice already has overkill sensor and its not even worth the time to compare the performance of "these overkill sensor" because the differences between them are very subtle.
That is the reason on why i compare the 3330 and 3360 so i can show the reader some idea on why they shouldn't bother with the sensor nowadays.

Still though that doesn't mean that u shouldn't do your research on the sensor before pulling the trigger.

6 hours ago, acheahead said:

^ He also rates the 3330 as a.. yep, cut down version of the 3360 but fails to compare the two of them (Mercury and 3330)
Furthermore he rants about the QA on the Cooler Master, and talks about the weight being annoying and it should be removed from future releases (and recommends people buying extra feet if they want to remove it as well) - Yet it's listed 9 on his list..
YET AGAIN he feels he hits as good with it as with his number one pick and goes on in the description about how he's torn between it and his beloved FK2

Well because if you are reviewing more than a hundred mice like Z.

That would probably happened to you too lol

Because you got confused and overwhelmed and in the end u said Scr*w it, imma putting this on my 9 list and then waiting for people to complain about your decision.

And if the number of those people is high enough, Only then you would consider to take their word and do what they want (you can't lose your fame , Give people what they want )

6 hours ago, acheahead said:

AH! And a quick note: I did notice the debunking of laser on cloth links etc..
I love Logitech, but I still don't trust them on this subject My G303 and Pro have tracking issues on their OWN GOD DAMN MAT with factory settings/tuning

Strange my G402 and castor work fine.

U might need to contact logitech for that or ask around the overclock forum.

6 hours ago, acheahead said:

And here's the part about petite hands: I was going to offer maybe shipping my G Pro to you, but then noticed you already do have a 102/203
So other than you trying a new sensor that wouldn't help anything at all lol..

Ehhhh ..no no another forum member has offered me their G700s for free which....i can't even describe it.

I always wanted that mouse for a really long time because i want to collect them. But because its a discontinued product and you wouldn't believe how much they charge someone for a discontinued product in here.

G700s cost freakin $150-250 USD used and new.

As much as i loved to accept it but i am a girl who still live with my parents and i always ask/need their permission for EVERYTHING.

And my parents is, You know definetly not a techies and they view a computer as a piece of junk.

So when i asked their permission they said " No dont accept item from stranger especially when u met them online, and u already got like 3 mouse at home "

End of the story.

To give you some general idea on how my parents like can be viewed on this thread.

6 hours ago, acheahead said:

What was your issue with the shape of it? For me it was simply to slim, which makes it sound a bit strange it didn't fit your petite hands

First i dont like the aesthetic and second uhmm what was it called? a hump? the hump on the back is a bit too high and too wide for me.

And it has no rubberized texture on the side to prevent my finger from slipping.

I only have 3 mice right now. MX518 as a part of my collection, the castor for my gaming needs and G402 as my daily driver in which u can read my review in here.

I sold my deathadder because it was too big, sold my g502 because it was too big as well and its feel uncomfortable on my hand and i dont like the aesthetic either, sold my g102 cause well u already knew the reason, sold my tyon because the laser sensor fail me and i never own rival 300, it is my friend's mouse i just borrow it to see if it fits my hand but of course it was too big.

What i really want is a wireless mouse that use cooler master mastermouse S shell with mx master or razer lancehead aesthetic and equip with HERO sensor.

And it seems a lot of people really want a wireless version of G502 with HERO sensor but logitech already has G900 for that so i dont think its going to happen.

Thank you for your input really.
I have some fun time discussing this with you.

Just Fyi my status in this forum is inactive because i got a lot of college stuff to do irl.

But i still keep on checking just in case someone posted something on my guide.

And i will also keep on updating this guide like adding more mice or adding more info in the future..

I also need to correct some of the grammatical mistakes on this guide