Perl 6 renamed to Raku [LWN.net] (original) (raw)

[Posted October 15, 2019 by ris]

The pull request changing the name of Perl 6 to Raku has been merged. See the full text for more information. "This document describes the steps to be taken to effectuate a rename of 'Perl 6' to 'Raku', as described in issue #81. It does not pretend to be complete in scope or in time. To change a name of a project that has been running for 19+ years will take time, a lot of effort and a lot of cooperation. It will affect people in foreseen and unforeseen ways." (Thanks to Sean Whitton)

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 15, 2019 16:41 UTC (Tue) by kloczek (guest, #6391) [Link]

So no one will be calling it Raku .. just Perl 6.

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 15, 2019 17:11 UTC (Tue) by theophrastus (guest, #80847) [Link] (5 responses)

So this shift opens the way for Perl 5 to progress (perhaps via backporting some less dramatic features?) to "Perl 6" and beyyyyyond?

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 15, 2019 17:27 UTC (Tue) by mattdm (subscriber, #18) [Link] (3 responses)

Pretty sure they're gonna have to go straight to 7 at this point.

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 15, 2019 17:57 UTC (Tue) by dezgeg (subscriber, #92243) [Link] (2 responses)

Nah, Perl 5 + Perl 6 obviously results in Perl 11 (aka the Winamp way of versioning).

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 23, 2019 3:03 UTC (Wed) by naptastic (guest, #60139) [Link] (1 responses)

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 25, 2019 6:34 UTC (Fri) by flussence (guest, #85566) [Link]

I'm not sure that kind of bitterness-driven development is sustainable. The best outcome is that a fork takes over, a la LibreOffice, otherwise it'll have a chronically low bus factor (currently 1).

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 15, 2019 21:25 UTC (Tue) by flussence (guest, #85566) [Link]

Existing consensus is Perl 5 will be renamed to the "version %d" already displayed in `perl -v`. Expect the next version to be Perl 32 (and expect ignorant hecklers to misinterpret *that* as "not 64-bit").

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 15, 2019 19:01 UTC (Tue) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 15, 2019 19:34 UTC (Tue) by ballombe (subscriber, #9523) [Link] (2 responses)

Now of course, we are all waiting for python3 to be renamed brian.

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 15, 2019 20:27 UTC (Tue) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link] (1 responses)

Of course, that's pronounced "Throatwobbler Mangrove", which is actually less silly a name than some of the suggested new names for Perl 6. :)

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 16, 2019 7:36 UTC (Wed) by nilsmeyer (guest, #122604) [Link]

Perly McPerlface?

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 15, 2019 20:03 UTC (Tue) by phil42 (guest, #5175) [Link] (29 responses)

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 15, 2019 20:44 UTC (Tue) by niner (subscriber, #26151) [Link] (14 responses)

Because so many people didn't realize that Raku is a completely new language. They just heard "Perl", thought of the horrors that were created during the 1990s dot com boom and never even looked at the language. Also having that number as part of the language name, when it looks sooo much like a version was very confusing. And it blocked Perl 5 from ever progressing beyond that version. And....a couple other reasons.

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 15, 2019 23:17 UTC (Tue) by mirabilos (subscriber, #84359) [Link] (13 responses)

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 16, 2019 6:00 UTC (Wed) by edomaur (subscriber, #14520) [Link] (12 responses)

Well, it is not. Python 3 is clearly a development on the Python 2 grammar, which is not the case for Raku and PHP6

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 16, 2019 10:36 UTC (Wed) by mirabilos (subscriber, #84359) [Link] (11 responses)

Still a different language.

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 16, 2019 11:00 UTC (Wed) by wodny (subscriber, #73045) [Link] (4 responses)

Is Python 3.5 a different language than 3.4 as well? It got async/await syntax.

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 16, 2019 11:32 UTC (Wed) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link] (3 responses)

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 16, 2019 19:51 UTC (Wed) by NYKevin (subscriber, #129325) [Link] (2 responses)

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 16, 2019 21:46 UTC (Wed) by apoelstra (subscriber, #75205) [Link] (1 responses)

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 16, 2019 22:05 UTC (Wed) by mpr22 (subscriber, #60784) [Link]

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 17, 2019 10:17 UTC (Thu) by jond (subscriber, #37669) [Link] (5 responses)

is en_US a different language to en_GB?

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 17, 2019 11:58 UTC (Thu) by pizza (subscriber, #46) [Link] (1 responses)

heh, there are a lot of folks that would say that 'en_GB' is actually several languages..

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 19, 2019 23:50 UTC (Sat) by Wol (subscriber, #4433) [Link]

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 17, 2019 16:14 UTC (Thu) by smurf (subscriber, #17840) [Link]

Probably not. But you might ask somebody form Brazil whether pt_BR is a different language than pt_PT.

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 18, 2019 21:21 UTC (Fri) by flussence (guest, #85566) [Link]

Try using en_GB subtext to communicate with people who only understand en_US and see how far that gets you…

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 18, 2019 22:05 UTC (Fri) by mpr22 (subscriber, #60784) [Link]

Not particularly more so than ur-PK and hi-IN, or hbs-BA and hbs-HR, or fr_FR and fr_CA.

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 15, 2019 22:09 UTC (Tue) by clugstj (subscriber, #4020) [Link] (1 responses)

Grasping at relevance.

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 16, 2019 20:21 UTC (Wed) by flussence (guest, #85566) [Link]

Do you have a function besides sociopathy in internet comments? I took a look at some of your other LWN contributions to try and figure out who kicked your dog, but all I found was a fifteen year history of you being incredibly bitter toward a wide range of projects that went on to succeed.

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 16, 2019 0:33 UTC (Wed) by geuder (subscriber, #62854) [Link] (11 responses)

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 16, 2019 2:02 UTC (Wed) by jccleaver (subscriber, #127418) [Link] (6 responses)

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 16, 2019 16:05 UTC (Wed) by deepfire (guest, #26138) [Link] (5 responses)

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 16, 2019 22:36 UTC (Wed) by sorpigal (guest, #36106) [Link] (4 responses)

Fairness here is "an evaluation on its own merits" rather than being ignored by people who see Perl and think they know what it is.

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 20, 2019 17:31 UTC (Sun) by rweikusat2 (subscriber, #117920) [Link] (3 responses)

Evaluating Perl 6 "by its merits" resulted in me coming to the conclusion that it's not suitable to replace Perl 5 and won't ever be.

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 20, 2019 23:29 UTC (Sun) by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523) [Link] (2 responses)

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 22, 2019 14:27 UTC (Tue) by rweikusat2 (subscriber, #117920) [Link] (1 responses)

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 23, 2019 20:42 UTC (Wed) by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523) [Link]

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 16, 2019 6:44 UTC (Wed) by niner (subscriber, #26151) [Link] (2 responses)

Well at least Perl 5 and Raku have good interoperability, so it's quite possible to mix them in real life code bases and use that to port piece by piece, unlike Python which mandated a full upgrade of the whole code base including all its dependencies at once.
https://modules.perl6.org/dist/Inline::Perl5:cpan:NINE

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 17, 2019 16:16 UTC (Thu) by mgedmin (subscriber, #34497) [Link] (1 responses)

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 17, 2019 18:31 UTC (Thu) by jwilk (subscriber, #63328) [Link]

u"" was added in 3.3

b""%() was added in 3.5

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 16, 2019 14:33 UTC (Wed) by rweikusat2 (subscriber, #117920) [Link]

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 15, 2019 20:17 UTC (Tue) by atai (subscriber, #10977) [Link] (3 responses)

Should have considered PINP, Perl is not Perl

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 15, 2019 23:47 UTC (Tue) by clopez (guest, #66009) [Link]

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 16, 2019 6:34 UTC (Wed) by bmork (subscriber, #88411) [Link] (1 responses)

It's more like PIMP - Perl is modern Perl

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 16, 2019 6:43 UTC (Wed) by dgm (subscriber, #49227) [Link]

Perl Is Mostly Perl

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 16, 2019 18:42 UTC (Wed) by adobriyan (subscriber, #30858) [Link] (1 responses)

Rust awaits kernel usage.

Perl 6 renamed to Raku

Posted Oct 18, 2019 23:25 UTC (Fri) by smitty_one_each (subscriber, #28989) [Link]

Rewarding another knowledgeable user.