Please stop incrementing the classfile version number when there are no format changes (original) (raw)

Luke Hutchison luke.hutch at gmail.com
Mon Oct 14 20:23:26 UTC 2019

On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 2:18 PM Brian Goetz <brian.goetz at oracle.com> wrote:

The mistake Luke made (and then repeatedly doubled down on several times) was that he started with the notion that he knew what the problem was (without building consensus around that), and that he knew what the solution was (without building consensus around that), and then lept from there to push on a specific solution. Before he’d even made his argument, his subject line gave it away: “Please stop ”. Then, when it was pointed out that the problem was far subtler and more complex than he’d given it credit for, he continued to argue for the same non-solution, rather than trying to backtrack to the underlying problem.

That wasn't my subject line, it was Mike's. I was expressing support for the issues Mike raised, giving other reasons why what he was asking for was entirely reasonable.

Yes, this is hard. It’s much easier to drive by and say “Please stop doing X, kthxbye”. But nothing that affects compatibility is that simple.

Brian, you have been the only person so far asking for the thread to end -- this is the only "kthxbye" so far.

You ask for consensus, but you are the gatekeeper for decisions here, so consensus doesn't actually matter -- your decision does. And I see there is no convincing you of the value of other opinions on this subject.

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