JavaFX for the Enterprise - Working Group (original) (raw)

Richard Bair richard.bair at oracle.com
Thu Oct 18 11:20:08 PDT 2012

http://javafx-jira.kenai.com/browse/RT-12100

It even references Mario & Roman's work ;-)

On Oct 18, 2012, at 11:06 AM, Mark Fortner wrote:

Richard, This is pretty critical in order to get Swing applications ported over to JavaFX. There are a lot of libraries out there that probably will never be ported to JavaFX, and for which there are no JavaFX equivalents. This kind of embedding makes is possible for people to at least entertain the idea of transitioning to JavaFX.

Is there a JIRA issue for this? Cheers, Mark

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Richard Bair <richard.bair at oracle.com>wrote: The AWT / Glass guys actually have a prototype of all of SwingSet running in JavaFX. I think most of the technical hurdles have been resolved (? Artem would know better), but it is just a matter of resourcing (there were some changes in AWT to get the best performance / integration). Richard On Oct 18, 2012, at 10:43 AM, Mario Torre wrote: Hi Richard,

You should probably look at this old mail, since this may be what you need.

http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/openjfx-dev/2011-December/000021.html We need to port this code to 2.2, I'll try to give it some love this week, it should give us also some good performances. Cheers, Mario 2012/10/18 Richard Bair <richard.bair at oracle.com>: From talking with the NB team, one feature they really need is to be able to embed Swing within JavaFX. Hopefully we can deliver on that for 8. On Oct 17, 2012, at 7:40 AM, Mark Claassen wrote:

I joined this list a few days ago because I wanted to start contributing So far, I am not sure it is quite where I should be. I would like to discuss more about the components (table, list boxes, ...). I am not exactly sure where to do that.

However, I will add here that I started (a very short-lived) thread on the netbeans user list along these lines. Basically what I was saying was that Netbeans is a wonderful UI built on Swing. Could this same project be done in JavaFX? Maybe not yet, but could it be in the future? It seems like the JavaFX team could get a lot of advice and requirements from the netbeans team. http://forums.netbeans.org/topic51717.html Some of the main data structures, like the ObservableList, make me cringe. I created a similar structure 10 years ago and have since learned the error of my ways. Granted, the JavaFX team has a lot more resources and experience than I did all those years ago, but from my point of view, there are dangerous waters ahead.

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Richard Bair <_ _richard.bair at oracle.com>wrote: We are already doing everything on your list (which was pretty void of specifics). Please list specific work projects, linked to specific JIRA issues, and vote for them and for goodness sake contribute!

On Oct 17, 2012, at 12:49 AM, Daniel Zwolenski <zonski at gmail.com> wrote: So Oracle as an organization doesn't think JavaFX can be a player in the web/enterprise space and is backing HTML5. I don't agree, JavaFX has the * potential* to be better. But it's a long way behind and gotten off to a rocky start; there's a hell of a lot of work to be done and the current rate, strategy and direction are not going to be nearly enough. Oracle is a big corporation with many different divisions. The left arm doesn't know what the right is doing. So let's put aside 'oracle' for a moment. I want to know: what does the JavaFX team think? Do you want to go up against HTML5 for the client space, or just settle for a spot on the fringe? Below is what I propose. This proposal needs the full backing of the JavaFX team and management. Specifically it needs: 1. Belief that JavaFX can and should be the number one client development platform for enterprise. 2. Recognition that the current strategy will not make that happen. 3. Resources (aka people) allocated to the working group outlined below. These people must have enough influence in the JFX platform to legitimately be able to influence the direction as needed. 4. Commitment to supporting this working group fully and implementing the strategies and recommendations that come out of it as a high priority 5. A sense of urgency, and a proactive pursuit of achieving these goals with a well defined timeline (i.e. "resources will be allocated by November 2012" not "we're working on it"). In my opinion, all of these must be met 100%. Otherwise there is no point starting at all and better to let it go and leave the enterprise space to other players like HTML5 as 'Oracle' is suggesting. This is your call. I believe JavaFX can be the best platform for client-side enterprise application development, capitalising-on, and adding-to Java's dominance in server side enterprise development. Do you? Proposal to form a working group for JavaFX in the enterprise Mission: - to position JavaFX as the dominant client-side development platform for enterprise/business applications Members: - a combination of paid Oracle JavaFX team members, and community participants. The Oracle members must have the ability to access senior JavaFX management and technical decision makers, and as such influence the road map and direction of the JavaFX platform. Community members will be those with a background and experience in the enterprise space and who are committed to making JavaFX the platform of choice in this space. Responsibilities: - Continuously identify improvements to the JavaFX platform that are needed to ensure adoption by enterprise; drive the inclusion of these into the JavaFX platform. - Continuously identify and monitor trends and developments within the enterprise space and competitor platforms (e.g. HTML5, .NET, etc) and ensure the JavaFX roadmap provides confidence to enterprise of JavaFX's long term viability for their needs. - Provide best practices, community/forum support, documentation, examples, tool add-ons, frameworks and other aids for integrating JavaFX into popular enterprise technology stacks - Provide advocacy, publicity and drive general engagement and outreach programs for the adoption of JavaFX in the enterprise. Objectives: Objectives will be determined by the working group once formed, however initial objectives will likely include the following: - Review the current deployment/distribution options for JavaFX and determine ways to improve this to make it competitive with other popular enterprise client platforms (e.g. HTML+JavaScript) for primary enterprise OS' and platforms - Identify the most popular enterprise build and development tools and determine a strategy for making JavaFX integrate into these - Review popular trends and toolkits within competitive platforms and define the ideal frameworks and add-on tools needed by an enterprise client (e.g. form validation). Use this list of high-level requirements to determine the low-level JavaFX enhancements needed (e.g. allow field markers so that a 3rd party validation framework could leverage these). - Create a demonstration enterprise application (along the lines of PetClinic) demonstrating best practice for integrating JavaFX in a full, end-to-end JEE stack. Longer term objectives may include: - Develop (or foster community development of) the high-level frameworks that have been identified as necessary for JavaFX in the enterprise. These will likely be developed as third-party modules external to the JavaFX core framework (i.e. built on top of the features provided by the core JavaFX team). - Provide integration with existing or new Rapid Application Development (RAD) tools popular within the enterprise Java space (e.g. ROO, etc). -- pgp key: http://subkeys.pgp.net/ PGP Key ID: 80F240CF Fingerprint: BA39 9666 94EC 8B73 27FA FC7C 4086 63E3 80F2 40CF IcedRobot: www.icedrobot.org Proud GNU Classpath developer: http://www.classpath.org/ Read About us at: http://planet.classpath.org OpenJDK: http://openjdk.java.net/projects/caciocavallo/ Please, support open standards: http://endsoftpatents.org/

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