[Python-3000] Support for PEP 3131 (some links to evidence of usage within communities) (original) (raw)

Guillaume Proux gproux+py3000 at gmail.com
Tue May 15 03🔞09 CEST 2007

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Found some evidence of usage of identifiers in Japanese while doing a quick google search

All links below are in Japanese.

• Ruby has support for Japanese identifiers (which is not unexpected when you know the origin country of Ruby) http://www.ruby-lang.org/ja/man/?cmd=view;name=%CA%D1%BF%F4%A4%C8%C4%EA%BF%F4 Notice that it says that this is only supported on a local basis. (probably because Ruby cannot handle unicode natively). I also found other people discussing their usage pattern of identifiers and Japanese and they also report this is tremedously useful for beginners especially when you need to read a stacktrace while debugging.

• Java has strong supporter of Japanese characters within identifiers. 　　http://java-house.jp/ml/archive/j-h-b/032664.html#body

They comment that: using japanese improves readability unless used in an extreme way (like changing a for loop to use インデクス instead of i)

One example they give is

i = revised(i);

とか、 i = RevisedByMarubatuMethod(i); とか、 i = revised_by_marubatu_method(i);

と書くよりは、

    i = ○×方式による補正を行う(i);

And of course think the last one is the best.....

Table of contents of "Visual J++ Applet Programming book" http://www.hir-net.com/book/book18/contents.html see "Chapter 2.2: You can use Japanese Identifiers !!!"

Discussion about variable naming and how being able to use Japanese would solve many naming issues: http://www.atmarkit.co.jp/bbs/phpBB/viewtopic.php?topic=13878&forum=3&start=8&15

Another one like this, where people explain that because it is difficult to come up with good names in English they end up calling everything : makeItem, doItem, addItem http://www.atmarkit.co.jp/bbs/phpBB/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic=18616&forum=7&start=0

And for fun, there is this interesting link about a programming language "in Japanese", made for beginners (check this example... awesome!): http://nadesi.com/doc/cmd/doc.cgi?mode=cmd&id=200

I am sure you can find a lot more evidence like this for each and every language. Letting people use their own script and vocabulary to name things will make them better programmers in their own country/cultural reference point. This will increase the audience and support for Python worldwide.

I will be contacting Japanese python user group and let them know of the current discussion.

Regards,

Guillaume

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