[Python-3000] PEP 3124 - more commentary (original) (raw)

Nick Coghlan ncoghlan at gmail.com
Tue May 15 11:28:54 CEST 2007

Guido van Rossum wrote:

On 5/14/07, Phillip J. Eby <pje at telecommunity.com> wrote:

More importantly, it seems to go against the grain of at least my mental concept of Python call signatures, in which arguments are inherently named (and can be passed using explicit names), with only rare exceptions like range(). In contrast, the languages that have this sort of positional thing only allow arguments to be specified by position, IIRC. That's what makes me uncomfortable with it. Well, in my metnal model the argument names are just as often irrelevant as they are useful. I'd be taken aback if I saw this in someone's code: open(filename="/etc/passwd", mode="r"). Perhaps it's too bad that Python cannot express the notion of "these parameters are positional-only" except very clumsily.

The idea of positional-only arguments came up during the PEP 3102 discussions. I believe the proposal was to allow a tuple of annotated names instead of a single name for the varargs parameter:

@overloadable def range(*(start:int, stop:int, step:int)): ... # implement xrange

@range.overload def range(*(stop:int,)): return range(0, x, 1)

@range.overload def range(*(start:int, stop:int)): return range(x, y, 1)

PJE's approach (using *args in the base signature, but allowing overloads to omit it) is probably cleaner, though.

Cheers, Nick.

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