[python-committers] discuss.python.org participation (original) (raw)

Doug Hellmann doug at doughellmann.com
Fri Oct 12 16:03:15 EDT 2018

Brett Cannon <brett at python.org> writes:

One data point in all of this is Victor's PEP 8015. Here on the mailing list I seem to be the first and only person to reply since the PEP was posted on Monday. But over on Discourse there have been 3 people who have replied and there's already been some back-and-forth.

So with a sample size of one, it looks like Discourse isn't discouraging anyone, otherwise I would have assumed people who don't want to start with Discourse would have simply started a discussion here on the mailing list about Victor's PEP.

I don't think it is safe to interpret the current level of engagement there as a definitive endorsement of the tool.

I believed this discussion was supposed to be happening over there and not on the mailing list (the initial messages about it were worded very strongly). If others who want to have a say in the future governance of the project had the same impression, then I would expect them to sign up and use Discourse regardless of their opinion of the tool.

I don't dislike Discourse, but I would have rather used the mailing list for the governance discussion and used some other, less critical, topic as a trigger for experimenting with a new tool. If the trouble with the mailing lists is moderation, then some other list that requires more moderation work would have been a good candidate.

On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 20:24, Jack Diederich <jackdied at gmail.com> wrote:

I'm worried about the new format combined with governance discussions. As best I can tell 51 CPython committers have signed up for an account [I think that is a big number, btw] but only 17 have posted anything; That 17 is about 5 more people than put their name on a governance PEP. And maybe 5 people have half the total posts. This does not feel like a discussion at all.

I don't think it was deliberate, but it looks like the new format is actively discouraging everyone but those most deeply invested with the most free time from participating. -Jack

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