[Python-Dev] Stackless Python - Pros and Cons (original) (raw)

Eric S. Raymond esr@thyrsus.com
Sun, 6 Aug 2000 18:51:59 -0400

Tim Peters <tim_one@email.msn.com>:

[ Eric S. Raymond] > ... > I want this feature [generators] a lot. Guido has agreed in principle > that we ought to have generators, but there is not yet a well-defined > path forward to them. Stackless may be the most promising route.

Actually, if we had a PEP , it would have recorded for all time that Guido gave a detailed description of how to implement generators with minor changes to the current code. It would also record that Steven Majewski had already done so some 5 or 6 years ago.

Christian Tismer, over to you. I am not going to presume to initiate the continuations PEP when there's someone with a Python implementation and extensive usage experience on the list. However, I will help with editing and critiques based on my experience with other languages that have similar features, if you want.

IMO, the real reason we don't have generators already is that they keep getting hijacked by continuations (indeed, Steven gave up on his patches as soon as he realized he couldn't extend his approach to continuations).

This report of repeated "hijacking" doesn't surprise me a bit. In fact, if I'd thought about it I'd have expected it. We know from experience with other languages (notably Scheme) that call-with-current-continuation is the simplest orthogonal primitive that this whole cluster of concepts can be based on. Implementors with good design taste are going to keep finding their way back to it, and they're going to feel incompleteness and pressure if they can't get there.

This is why I'm holding out for continuation objects and call-with-continuation to be an explicit Python builtin. We're going to get there anyway; best to do it cleanly right away.

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