[Python-Dev] Python 3.0 list of goals (original) (raw)

Guido van Rossum guido at python.org
Wed Aug 18 01:21:06 CEST 2004

A.M. Kuchling wrote:

> The thread about bytes() is about a Python 3.0 feature. Guido's > presentations have mentioned various changes he'd like to make in 3.0, > but there's no master list of things that would change. > > I think it would be useful to have such a list, because it would focus > our language development effort on ones that are steps to 3.0, and > maybe people can invent ways to smooth the transition. I've started a > list in the Wiki at http://www.python.org/moin/Python3.0 , but should > it be a PEP? (PEP 3000, perhaps?)

Good idea to start collecting all this. I'm currently too busy to spend a lot of time thinking about all this, but eventually I will be back and then it would be nice to find a list of things I said in the past. :-)

I say a PEP. While it can say that these features are just possibilities, I would rather have a controlled place to list this stuff so it is a little more official than having someone randomly come in and start throwing in everything they wished Python 3.0 will have.

Right, but the Wiki is a good start while you consider a PEP.

When it is decided where all of this info will end up I will go through the python-dev Summaries and see if I can find anything there (tried to make it a habit to doc stuff that Guido said would be a Python 3.0 feature.

There is also another wiki page on Python 3.0 at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/moinmoin/PythonThreeDotOh .

Hrm. That is mostly Mike McLay's wish list; best to ignore it.

I also have an initial list going. At PyCON Michael McLay and I discussed getting a PEP written in hopes of getting grant funding from outside sources (read: not the PSF) to implement some of the features. And we figured a PEP was probably as official as we could get short of a specific grant proposal and thus be more acceptable to people considering providing funds.

A PEP along the lines of Mike's Wiki page doesn't really have my support. It's a long story that I'll have to save for another time, but basically it seems to me that Mike's agenda is driven by the need of a very specific subcommunity. That's fine, but let's be clear about what it is -- it's not my idea for Python 3000.

--Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)

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