[Python-Dev] Why are contexts also managers? (was r45544 - peps/trunk/pep-0343.txt) (original) (raw)

Nick Coghlan ncoghlan at gmail.com
Sat Apr 22 15:10:57 CEST 2006

Paul Moore wrote:

On 4/22/06, Nick Coghlan <ncoghlan at gmail.com> wrote:

Alternatively, I could have a go at clearing it up for next week's alpha2, and we can ask Anthony to make an explicit request for review of those docs in the announcement. . . I've just had a very quick scan through the 2.5a1 documentation. I did not look at the PEP, just the official documentation. I've been reading the messages going round on the subject, but I'm getting pretty confused, so I'd still count myself as "unprejudiced"... :-)

Thanks for doing that. I got lost in a maze of twisty contexts all alike around the same place you did, so we apparently need to do something different somewhere.

So I'm going to express my gratitude by asking you to read the same docs all over again in a few days time :)

My immediate reaction was that the docs make reasonable sense:

- a context is a thing with enter/exit methods (a block of code is "in" a context) - the with statement delimits the block which is in a context - the with statement asks a context manager for the context in which the block runs - context managers have context methods to produce contexts (they manage the production of explicit context objects)

I'll be making a pass through the docs (and PEP) this weekend using the definitions:

I'll also add something in which parallels the current "Iterator Types" section in the library reference (only for "Context Types").

The big changes from where we are currently are that:

I was considering producing a patch instead so it could be reviewed before I changed anything, but I don't think we'll really understand which is clearer until we can review it all together, and documentation patches are difficult to review properly without applying them and rebuilding the docs (which a lot of people aren't set up to do - just ask the effbot ;).

If the terminology still breaks down with those slightly different definitions, we'll have to try to come up with a third option after the 2nd alpha. I'm really hoping my planned changes actually work out, because if they don't I'm out of ideas for how to make these concepts easier to grok. . .

Cheers, Nick.

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