[Python-Dev] any support for a methodcaller HOF? (original) (raw)

Nick Coghlan ncoghlan at gmail.com
Sat Feb 4 13:41:48 CET 2006

Eric Nieuwland wrote:

Then how about nameless function/method definition: def (x): ... usual body ...

Hell no. If I want to write a real function, I already have perfectly good syntax for that in the form of a def statement. I want to increase the conceptual (and pedagogical) difference between deferred expressions and real functions, not reduce it. There's a reason I try to use the term 'deferred expression' for lambda rather than 'anonymous function'. Even if lambdas are implemented as normal function objects, they're a conceptually different beast as far as I'm concerned - a function is typically about factoring out a piece of common code to be used in multiple places, while a lambda is about defining here and now an operation that is to be carried out elsewhere and possibly later (e.g., sorting and predicate arguments are defined at the call site but executed in the function body, callbacks are defined when registered but executed when the relevant event occurs).

produces an unnamed method object and def spam(x): .... is just spam = def (x): ...

Except that it wouldn't be - the name used in a def statement has special status that a normal variable name does not (e.g. the function knows about its real name, but nothing about the aliases given to it by assignment statements).

while our beloved eggs(lambda x: x*x) would become eggs(def(x): return x*x)

I personally believe this fascination with "we want to be able to include a suite inside an expression" has been a major contributor to Guido's irritation with the whole concept of anonymous functions. That may just be me projecting my own feelings though - every time I try to start a discussion about getting a clean deferred expression syntax, at least one part of the thread will veer off onto the topic of embedded suites. IMO, if what you want to do is complex enough that you can't write it using a single expression, then giving it a name and a docstring would probably make the code more comprehensible anyway.

Generator expressions allow a generator to be embedded only if it is simple enough to be written using a single expression in the body of the loop. Lambda does the same thing for functions, but for some reason people seem to love the flexibility provided by genexps, while many think the exact same restriction in lambda is a problem that needs "fixing". Maybe once PEP 308 has been implemented, some of that griping will go away, as it will then be possible to cleanly embed conditional logic inside an expression (and hence inside a lambda).

Cheers, Nick.

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