[Python-Dev] PEP 338 issue finalisation (was Re: 2.5 PEP) (original) (raw)

Nick Coghlan ncoghlan at gmail.com
Fri Feb 17 14:55:47 CET 2006

Guido van Rossum wrote:

[Hey, I thought I sent that just to you. Is python-dev really interested in this?]

Force of habit on my part - I saw the python-dev header and automatically dropped "pyd" into the To: field of the reply.

Given Paul's contribution on the get_data front, it turned out to be a fortuitous accident :)

[init_globals argument]

I just realised that anything that's a legal argument to "dict.update" will work. I'll fix the function description in the PEP (and the docs patch as well). I'm not sure that's a good idea -- you'll never be able to switch to a different implementation then.

Good point - I'll change the wording so that (officially, at least) it has to be a dictionary.

[_read_compiled_file() error handling]

Also, perhaps it makes more sense to return None instead of raising ValueError? Since you're always catching it? (Or are you?)

I've changed this in my local copy. That provides a means for dealing with marshal, too - catching any Exception from marshal.load and convert it to returning None.

This approach loses some details on what exactly was wrong with the file, but that doesn't seem like a big issue (and it cleans up some of the other code).

[run_module() error handling]

OK. But a loader could return None from getcode() -- do you check for that? (I don't have the source handy here.)

The current version on SF doesn't check it, but I just updated my local copy to fix that.

[run_module() interaction with import]

What happens when you execute "foo.py" as main and then (perhaps indirectly) something does "import foo"? Does a second copy of foo.py get loaded by the regular loader?

Yes - this is the same as if foo.py was run directly from the command line via its filename.

[YAGNI and 6 public functions where only 1 has a demonstrated use case]

I do wonder if runpy.py isn't getting a bit over-engineered -- it seems a lot of the functionality isn't actually necessary to implement -m foo.bar, and the usefulness in other circumstances is as yet unproven. What do you think of taking a dose of YAGNI here? (Especially since I notice that most of the public APIs are very thin layers over exec or execfile -- people can just use those directly.)

I had a look at pdb and profile, and the runpy functions really wouldn't help with either of those. Since I don't have any convincing use cases, I'll demote run_code and run_module_code to be private helper functions and remove the three run*file methods (I might throw those three up on ASPN as a cookbook recipe instead).

That leaves the public API containing only run_module, which is all -m really needs.

[thread safety and the import lock]

Another problem that occurred to me is that the module isn't thread safe at the moment. The PEP 302 emulation isn't protected by the import lock, and the changes to sys.argv in runmodulecode will be visible across threads (and may clobber each other or the original if multiple threads invoke the function). Another reason to consider cutting it down to only what's needed by -m; -m doesn't need thread-safety (I think).

Yeah, thread-safety is only an issue if invoking runpy.run_module from threaded Python code. However, I think this is one of those nasty threading problems where it will work for 99.9% of cases and produce intractable bugs for the remaining 0.1%. If an extra try-finally block can categorically rule out those kinds of problems, then I think it's nicer to include it.

Cheers, Nick.

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