[Python-Dev] Package install failures in 2.6.3 (original) (raw)

Tarek Ziadé ziade.tarek at gmail.com
Mon Oct 5 17:42:50 CEST 2009

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 5:26 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com> wrote:

Tarek Ziadé wrote:

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:27 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com> wrote:

Tarek Ziadé wrote:

Now I am astonished that we are talking about reverting changes in Distutils that were done for bugfixes, for a third party package that does monkey patches on Distutils.

If this choice wins here, it means that setuptools and the stdlib are tied together, and that the setuptools package should be integrated to the stdlib immediatly. We've discussed ways of doing that some years ago and found that it was not possible to make ends join. I'd much rather like to see some of the features in setuptools get implemented in distutils. eGenix could contribute a bdistegg implementation that doesn't rely on setuptools and its monkey patches - along with some other new commands that people might find useful such as the ability to build Unix libraries, optional and self-configuring extensions, autoconf-style setups, etc. (see mxSetup.py in egenix-mx-base for all the details). We'd just need some help with integrating the things into distutils, since we currently don't have the bandwidth for such things. What about making the Distribute project the laboratory for this work ? It's open to contributions. The way the distutils extensions are implemented (by sub-classing distutils classes) make it easier to add them back to core distutils, rather than to integrate them into another 3rd party distutils extension. I'm not sure how adding them to Distribute would help, since then you'd only be able to access them using Distribute.

I was thinking about the release cycles but this is maybe because I am unaware of the way eGenix packages are developed, so I might be wrong.

Distribute has the bandwidth to work on this with many contributors with a smaller release cycle than stdlib, allowing more feedback.

Notice that I am also doing nightly builds of Distutils that can be installed and tried in released version of Python, and that can be used instead of the Python's embed Distutils (see the installable tarballs at nightly.ziade.org). so maybe it's just a matter of continuous integration

Tarek

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